"The Creator" is the Crucial Issue in Religion

[gad-fly]

But 'who' is in 'distress' awaiting salvation?
What are those 'ones' awaiting salvation 'from' exactly?
All are living in either 'heaven' or in 'hell'. But once their gone, their gone. So what could one possibly be awaiting 'for'?
How much to believe (or think) In regards to 'what' exactly?

In this respect, the crucial Issue in Religion is more "Heaven and Hell". The Creator is merely an agent or channel to raise or damn in Armageddon.

What exactly is the 'crucial issue' here, to you?

Cancerous patients, those suffering from terminal illness, those worrying very much on Covid 19 . . . are in distress.

Some are living in Paradise Now; some are living in Hell; most are in between; some are waiting for sunnier days; some are waiting for salvation. It takes all sorts to makes us up. Who I am and what I believe is not relevant to the issue as reflected in the title, which I shall try my best to stick to when I say anything here.

The crucial issue? The title suggest it is "The Creator". I start this thread to seek your enlightenment. Having gone so far, my view has been modified. The crucial issue in religion is Heaven and Hell. But this may not be final. This forum has been a great help, thanks to people like you.

[creation]

But 'who' is in 'distress' awaiting salvation?
What are those 'ones' awaiting salvation 'from' exactly?
All are living in either 'heaven' or in 'hell'. But once their gone, their gone. So what could one possibly be awaiting 'for'?
How much to believe (or think) In regards to 'what' exactly?



What exactly is the 'crucial issue' here, to you?

Cancerous patients, those suffering from terminal illness, those worrying very much on Covid 19 . . . are in distress.

Why are these people in distress?

What exactly are they distressing about?

Some are living in Paradise Now; some are living in Hell; most are in between; some are waiting for sunnier days; some are waiting for salvation. It takes all sorts to makes us up. Who I am and what I believe is not relevant to the issue as reflected in the title, which I shall try my best to stick to when I say anything here.

The crucial issue? The title suggest it is "The Creator". I start this thread to seek your enlightenment. Having gone so far, my view has been modified. The crucial issue in religion is Heaven and Hell. But this may not be final. This forum has been a great help, thanks to people like you.

'Heaven' is just a word used to describe a concept of living in a peaceful and harmonious way here on earth with everyone. 'Hell' just being a word to describe living in the opposite way.

[gad-fly]

Why are these people in distress?
What exactly are they distressing about?

Not being distressed myself, that I cannot answer. Suffice to say that people have been observed to be in distress, and have admitted being so, for different reasons. Les Miserables.

What do you think is the crucial issue in Religion? Is it Distress?

[creation]

Why are these people in distress?
What exactly are they distressing about?

Not being distressed myself, that I cannot answer. Suffice to say that people have been observed to be in distress, and have admitted being so, for different reasons. Les Miserables.

What do you think is the crucial issue in Religion?

To me, there is no "crucial" issue in religion.

Is it Distress?

No.

[gad-fly]

To me, there is no "crucial" issue in religion.

I maintain that the crucial issue in religion is Salvation in the present tense, followed by afterlife. Salvation stems from Distress which is seldom avoidable.The deliverance of Salvation distinguishes between different religions. I cannot be more concise.

[creation]

To me, there is no "crucial" issue in religion.

I maintain that the crucial issue in religion is Salvation in the present tense, followed by afterlife. Salvation stems from Distress which is seldom avoidable.The deliverance of Salvation distinguishes between different religions. I cannot be more concise.

Okay.

[LuckyR]

To me, there is no "crucial" issue in religion.

I maintain that the crucial issue in religion is Salvation in the present tense, followed by afterlife. Salvation stems from Distress which is seldom avoidable.The deliverance of Salvation distinguishes between different religions. I cannot be more concise.

If you add the caveat of: "Modern, Western religion", then your comment becomes more accurate.

[gad-fly]

I maintain that the crucial issue in religion is Salvation in the present tense, followed by afterlife. Salvation stems from Distress which is seldom avoidable.The deliverance of Salvation distinguishes between different religions. I cannot be more concise.

If you add the caveat of: "Modern, Western religion", then your comment becomes more accurate.

Thanks, but isn't modern western religion Christianity?

Let me modify what I have said, which may be on the benefit of the believer. What about: The crucial Issue in Religion is Creation and Afterlife.

[LuckyR]

If you add the caveat of: "Modern, Western religion", then your comment becomes more accurate.

Thanks, but isn't modern western religion Christianity?

Let me modify what I have said, which may be on the benefit of the believer. What about: The crucial Issue in Religion is Creation and Afterlife.

Much better...

[Belindi]

'Creation' is in some way not the best term for ontology, theories of existence.
I presume the OP does not consider creation to be an event unique to one time.

'Creation' usually connotes a Creator and so might lead someone to think the conversation is devotional. On the other hand the word 'ontology' is little known and understood. That is why I prefer 'theories of existence' or 'ideas about existence'.

[creation]

The Universe, obviously exists. This is 'Existence', Itself.

Existence was never 'created', in the sense of a beginning, but Existence is in a continual process of 'creation', in the sense of always 'Being', created. All things within Existence, come into existence, exist, and then exit.

Considering there is only One 'time', which is just the eternal NOW, 'creation' is one event unique to this One 'time' of NOW.

Obviously this eternal creation has a creator, just like every created thing has a creator. That creator always has to be at least two things, which the coming together of them, or their interaction, is the creator of the creation. This has nothing to with about being 'devotional' at all, but rather just being about thee Truth of things.

Once can make up as many "theories" as they like, but they will never match thee actual Truth of things, if, and when, they do, then they are just expressing thee actual Truth anyway, and therefore cease being a "theory" any more.

Like Existence and there only being One, so to is Life and there only being One. There are, however, four separate definitions of the word 'life', and the definition that the word the 'afterlife' refers to is just the one about a way of living. So, when AFTER human beings stop being greedy and selfish, and live the correct way, then the LIFE that they are creating and living in now, will cease to exist anymore, and then the NEXT LIFE, or the AFTERLIFE, will just be the one talked about in religions - A Truly peaceful and loving 'life', or 'way of living.

Because human beings have become so greedy and selfish they literally thought that the word 'afterlife' actually had something to do with them personally, after they died.

After this greedy, war-torn, stress-full and pollution-riddled 'life' and way of living has died, then the new and much better 'life' begins. We then transform from 'this' 'life' to the 'next' 'afterlife'.

This confusing especially religions words and terms, and mistaking them to means, which they obviously do not, is a very common issue with human beings who have been brought up in and with the wrong way of 'life' and living.

[gad-fly]

Let me modify what I have said, which may be on the benefit of the believer. What about: The crucial Issue in Religion is Creation and Afterlife.

Much better...

I take Religion to mean "Coming into existence."

This thread is about the Crucial Issue in religion, or religions in general. Sarcastically, it can be: What earns religions their keep?" The crucial issue in question should loosely fit into most major religions, difficult as it must be. I challenge you all to suggest better. I may follow you in turn.

[Belindi]

Much better...

I take Religion to mean "Coming into existence."

This thread is about the Crucial Issue in religion, or religions in general. Sarcastically, it can be: What earns religions their keep?" The crucial issue in question should loosely fit into most major religions, difficult as it must be. I challenge you all to suggest better. I may follow you in turn.

Coming into existence is continuous. It's not certain that differentiated beings exist in nature. Differentiated beings could be man made concepts, for all we can know.

[creation]

Much better...

I take Religion to mean "Coming into existence."

This thread is about the Crucial Issue in religion, or religions in general. Sarcastically, it can be: What earns religions their keep?" The crucial issue in question should loosely fit into most major religions, difficult as it must be. I challenge you all to suggest better. I may follow you in turn.

What do you mean by 'crucial' exactly? And, what do you mean by 'religion'?

The 'Creator' is just a term used by human beings. What is 'it' that you challenge us to 'suggest better' in relation to exactly?

[gad-fly]

What do you mean by 'crucial' exactly? And, what do you mean by 'religion'?

The 'Creator' is just a term used by human beings. What is 'it' that you challenge us to 'suggest better' in relation to exactly?

Meaning of terms I usually find in the dictionary. My suggestion for the crucial issue in religion has graduated from "The Creator" to "Creation and Afterlife". Creation here is defined by "coming into existence before anything else is known". Otherwise it is "development, reproduction, invention, multiplication, or recreation". I would like to hear what can be more appropriate and more relevant suggestion of the said issue than mine, if there is any in this forum.