Hi All! Desistence and zero
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Hi All! Desistence and zero
What do you think? Is creation entirely reversible? Is nothingness infinity of a negative magnitude? Should we try to delineate nothingness or is it purely mathematical?
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Re: Hi All! Desistence and zero
This:zicohero wrote:What do you think?
Under what circumstances do people decide to say "nothingness" as opposed to "nothing"?
I'm not always imagining things ceasing to exist.
Yes, anything is possible, but some things are more plausible than others, and one of the criteria I use to decide whether something seems plausible is whether I've known it to happen before.That's what I'd use to come up with this notion that stuff can change form but can't be created or destroyed.
I agree that death isn't the end and that our bodies nourish other lifeforms, because I've seen it happen and occasionally sung songs about it. (See the song "On Ilkley Moor Baht 'at"). But I've never known a soul to "traverse into the next life" so I don't think that happens. (Although I may have sung songs about it.)
No, nothingness is not infinity of a negative magnitude. But I suppose it could be, because I've no idea what that means.
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Your speculations exceed the ability of our scientific instruments to measure anything related to these speculations.zicohero wrote: ↑May 27th, 2020, 11:57 pm I was reflecting on the idea of nothingness and I found that I would always imagine things desisting- ceasing to exist. But is this possible? A world created ex nihilo cannot return to nothingness... can it? I thought about it in terms of energy, it can be created but not destroyed. Just like death isn't the end, our bodies nourish other lifeforms and our souls traverse into the next life.
What do you think? Is creation entirely reversible? Is nothingness infinity of a negative magnitude? Should we try to delineate nothingness or is it purely mathematical?
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When I was a kid in the 1960's growing up, I was taught that outer space consisted of nothingness, however since then different theories in science have evolved about what space really consists of. We are unable to measure anything closely related to these theories.
We do know that star light tends to bend or refract around distant heavenly bodies. And some people have interpreted this to mean that outer space does consist of something besides nothingness, and that light curves through it.
Nobody knows, however.
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Re nothingness, I think it makes sense to talk about it at least in terms of being circumscribed by something. So, for example, we can say "there's nothing (the complete absence of anything) between those two electrons" or whatever, where that doesn't mean that they're adjacent to each other, but that there's the complete absence of anything "in" the spatial extension that we'd measure as whatever if we were to measure it.
On my view, space isn't something in itself. Space is a way of talking about the extension of matter/the extensional relations between matter.
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Creation requires a creator.
If I make something, I can destroy it, but I cannot 'unmake' it. Of course, I can only make something out of materials/ingredients that already exist, so I'm not actually creating so much as assembling, and disassembling merely reduces my product to its original component parts - or garbage.
If somebody could actually create something from nothing, I imagine they could disassemble it back to nothing.
Of course, this creator and de-creator would have to exist outside of the concepts of thing/no thing - a state I can't imagine.
Don't think so. Not even sure finity is a positive one. Or even a magnitude.Is nothingness infinity of a negative magnitude?
Drelineate it from what?Should we try to delineate nothingness
Zero is mathematical; nothingness isn't.or is it purely mathematical?
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Is there any other way to reflect on the idea of nothingness other than ALL things ceasing to exist?
Is a "world" created ex nihilo even logically possibly, let alone physically possible?
If yes, then explain how.
Until then why even consider such an absurd and ridiculous claim as "created ex nihilo" is?
If you want to make claims like "our souls traverse into the next life", then I will clarify who/what is 'our'? Who/what are 'souls'? What is 'this life', and, what is the 'next life'?
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NO.
'Nothingness' is nothing other than just an idea or concept.
Because there is obviously something then we can very easily imagine nothing.
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