Whitedragon wrote: ↑August 15th, 2020, 3:00 am
evolution wrote: ↑August 14th, 2020, 10:10 pm
If there is a specific question, for example, like; 'Why does God permit evil?', which someone would like the answer to, then a specific answer can be given. But, until specific questions are presented, then the specific answers can not come forward.
Hi, Evolution,
Listen, mate, I'm glad your back,
Let's take this a bit at a time. We can come back to the OP question later, I don't think we'll be able to deal with it in anyway before we understand the issue better.
I wasn't aware you didn't know what the theodicy question is, easily put, it just questions God's Omni attributes vs why he doesn't take away pain and suffering.
1. God is NOT a "he", unless, of course, this can be proven otherwise.
2. 'Pain' and/or 'suffering' are VERY 'relative' things, to an observer.
What human beings consider as 'pain' and/or 'suffering' God may certainly NOT.
Whitedragon wrote: ↑August 15th, 2020, 3:00 am
For now I think we should first ask, "what is pain and suffering" from a theistic or philosophical viewpoint or both.
Yes, now this is a GREAT start, from my perspective anyway.
Okay, so now, " 'What is pain and suffering', from a theistic or philosophical viewpoint or both', from your viewpoint?
To me,
'Pain' is just associated with the physical body and specifically with the nerve endings and/or the pain receptors. Whereas,
'Suffering' is associated with the thoughts and/or emotions, within the body.
'Pain' is just a very 'normal' part of a physical body, which contains nerve endings and/or pain receptors. Pain receptors are 'necessary' for a better life, for that body.
'Suffering' is just a perception, which is 'relative' to each and every unique person.
Now, I am NOT in a position to provide a 'theistic' nor 'philosophical' point of view, as I can only provide, accurately, only 'that' what I have actually observed and experienced, and if I am honest, those points of view only. I can only, accurately, provide a viewpoint, from my perspective, only.
By the way, there is One agreed viewpoint, from which ALL could agree with. So, ANY viewpoint, including 'theistic' and 'philosophical' viewpoint would have to be views and a way of SEEING things in the same way. Every thing else are just 'perceptions', which may or may not be true at all. Therefore, if we are looking for a True view of 'What is, actually, pain and suffering?' then that view would be the One, which could be or is in agreement from the advantage viewpoint of ALL, and NOT a view from any particular nor limited point of view.
But do not let this detract you from providing your point of view of; 'What is pain and suffering?'
Whitedragon wrote: ↑August 15th, 2020, 3:00 am
After we've done this I will explain the thread question again and it should be easier to answer.
Okay. I have done my part already.