If the physical presence of the God is the Earth...

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If the physical presence of the God was the Earth, religions would be the largest scams ever in history.

Imagine there was a God without the existence of the souls, a God without violating any natural rules

and she has a presence -- the Earth, a Conscious Earth

who interconnected with everyone of us...

what would it be?

what will the situations of our world be like?

would that be possible?

would it be the ultimate truth behind our planet?

I am really doubted about it.

Then the promised afterlife was only a scam and religions were one of her "divide and rule strategies".

What do you think? Did that inspire you or anything?
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Trying to be as gracious as possible about this, let's look at the background motivating it for a minute.

Why would we be proposing the Earth as the physical presence of God, exactly? Is this just arbitrary fantasizing? Or is there something more substantial behind the suggestion?

And why would we be imagining "a God without the existence of souls"?
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Terrapin Station wrote: October 31st, 2020, 11:05 am
Why would we be proposing the Earth as the physical presence of God, exactly? Is this just arbitrary fantasizing? Or is there something more substantial behind the suggestion?

And why would we be imagining "a God without the existence of souls"?
If the God has a physical presence, that really make a difference. We will discover that lives are lives in different levels. A higher level of lives gives birth to the lower ones. Then lives become the only rule and, in fact, everything in the universe.

Souls are comfort when u are "lying". It is a lie. It is a comfort. It does not exist. The God use it as a "divine and rule" strategy. The God don't want us to leave the Earth,within her limited territory. If the God was the Conscious Earth, she would be a supreme being. Her mercy depends much on her morality. Then the God is not all good, but she must be omniscient within the Earth. I saw these descriptions suit the current situations in our world, or so-called reality, on our planet Earth.

I make such assumptions because I suppose we all want to know the truth, even it is desperate. It is a desperate truth. If the God was a supreme being, she could not go beyond natural rules. That means at the end of the day, she will die. Maybe we will all follow, since we are the life cycles of this planet. Life has a start. There must be an end. Therefore, I soon realize that it was a desperate truth.

I think we all have to accept it even it is a desperate truth: we have no souls / the God is only a supreme being / and we all have to die with her :cry:
This is what I call: the desperate truth
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Let me make it much more clear:
If the God is the Conscious Earth - a supreme being, we human beings - as the life cycles of this planet - are all going to die inside.
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kk23wong wrote: October 30th, 2020, 5:24 am If the physical presence of the God was the Earth, religions would be the largest scams ever in history.

Imagine there was a God without the existence of the souls, a God without violating any natural rules

and she has a presence -- the Earth, a Conscious Earth

who interconnected with everyone of us...

what would it be?

what will the situations of our world be like?

would that be possible?

would it be the ultimate truth behind our planet?

I am really doubted about it.

Then the promised afterlife was only a scam and religions were one of her "divide and rule strategies".

What do you think? Did that inspire you or anything?
Bro..........

It's called Pantheism, and it's been around since the inception of Hinduism. It's not a new concept. And guess what? Up until this very day, Theologians of the pantheist kind and the monotheist kind are still fighting over which one is the truth. There is NOTHING to imagine here because it's not established as the truth. It's still up for debate whether pantheism is the truth or monotheism.

Here's a suggestion. Read the Bible's Genesis. And then ask yourself if you believe it. If you don't, pantheism is for you. If not, welcome to the Christian camp.
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Terrapin Station wrote: October 31st, 2020, 11:05 am Why would we be proposing the Earth as the physical presence of God, exactly? Is this just arbitrary fantasizing? Or is there something more substantial behind the suggestion?
It's called pantheism.
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Mark_Lee wrote:...It's still up for debate whether pantheism is the truth or monotheism.

Here's a suggestion. Read the Bible's Genesis. And then ask yourself if you believe it. If you don't, pantheism is for you. If not, welcome to the Christian camp.
Can I have any other options or do I have to choose one of those two?
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Mark_Lee wrote:It's called pantheism.
So it's the fact that it's got a name which gives it substance?
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kk23wong wrote:Imagine there was a God without the existence of the souls, a God without violating any natural rules
Stopping there for a moment and concentrating first on establishing what you're saying:

The sentence I've quoted seems to be suggesting a necessary connection between "a God without the existence of the souls" and "a God without violating any natural rules". i.e. it seems to be saying that you can't have one of those without the other, or perhaps that the former necessarily implies the latter. Have I interpreted that correctly?
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Mark_Lee wrote: November 4th, 2020, 5:15 am
Terrapin Station wrote: October 31st, 2020, 11:05 am Why would we be proposing the Earth as the physical presence of God, exactly? Is this just arbitrary fantasizing? Or is there something more substantial behind the suggestion?
It's called pantheism.
From where are you getting the idea that pantheism is limited to the physical presence of God being the Earth?
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Steve3007 wrote: November 5th, 2020, 6:13 am
kk23wong wrote:Imagine there was a God without the existence of the souls, a God without violating any natural rules
Stopping there for a moment and concentrating first on establishing what you're saying:

The sentence I've quoted seems to be suggesting a necessary connection between "a God without the existence of the souls" and "a God without violating any natural rules". i.e. it seems to be saying that you can't have one of those without the other, or perhaps that the former necessarily implies the latter. Have I interpreted that correctly?
I have to state clear that I have no intention to offend the God. The God treat me generously. I am not hostile against her. However, I have no alternatives but to point out that the God was a liar in the matter of souls. If she is the Conscious Earth, nothing in this universe could escape from the natural rules. In another word, there are no supernatural power, even the presence of the God is tangible.
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