Sculptor1 wrote: ↑March 22nd, 2021, 1:08 pm
Scott wrote: ↑March 22nd, 2021, 12:57 pm
Dr. Wayne Dyer (1940-2015) wrote:
My beliefs are that the truth is a truth until you organize it, and then it becomes a lie. I don't think that Jesus was teaching Christianity, Jesus was teaching kindness, love, concern, and peace. What I tell people is don't be Christian, be Christ-like. Don't be Buddhist, be Buddha-like. Religion is orthodoxy, rules and historical scriptures maintained by people over long periods of time. Generally, people are raised to obey the customs and practices of that religion without question. These are customs and expectations from outside the person and do not fit my definition of spiritual.
What do you think of Dr. Wayne Dyer's credos as quoted above? Do you agree? If not, why not?
I do not think this is really about "truth" in any sense. Most of what we can glean from the bible is based on a series of practical lies. It is doubtful whether the "teachings" of the NT amount to kindness, love, concern, and peace.
In the quoted text, Dr. Dyer did not say that the New Testament of the Christian Bible taught kindness, love, concern, and peace. He said that Jesus taught kindness, love, concern, and peace.
Ecurb wrote: ↑March 22nd, 2021, 9:13 pm
Would science be better off if it was strictly "personal or "individual"? Or do we see further when we stand on the shoulders of giants?
Thank your your questions. I think taken together these two questions can be interpreted (or misinterpreted) as potentially presenting a false dichotomy. In no way is my philosophy (or Dyer's advice as I interpret it) suggesting one cannot figuratively stand on the proverbial shoulders of giants, be that in a spiritual context, a scientific context, a philosophical context, or any truth-seeking context.
Indeed, Dr. Dyer's comments about human organization do seem in my opinion to apply just as well to questions of science as much as spirituality. It seems to me that one who seeks to engage (or pretends to engage) in truth-seeking via either scientific or spiritual inquiry can be just as hindered by (1) the corruption of human organization
, (2) the foolishness of human mobs
especially when institutionally organized, and (3) faith
in proclaimed human
authorities, (e.g. priests, college degree-givers, peer review journals, Nazi commanding officers overseeing scientific publications, billionaire-owned Facebook's paid fact-checkers, Wikipedia, etc.). An example is the published peer-reviewed paper, "Cooperative , Compact Algorithms for Randomized Algorithms"
, which is simply random gibberish.
In the short quote from Dr. Dyer in the OP, he explicitly encourages people to be "christ-like" and "buddha-like", to mimic Jesus and Buddha. As I interpret it, in no way does such advice mean the un-nuanced black
or un-nuanced white
of such a seemingly false dichotomy. Dyer names two alleged giants on whose shoulders he encourages one to stand.
versus standing entirely alone
, there is voluntarily standing on the shoulders of giants.
For all my posts about spiritual freedom on these forums, I am married, which involves much more physical contact and social entanglement than merely standing on someone's shoulders. Freedom does not mean non-association or non-cooperation, but a lack of freedom does make free association
and voluntarily cooperation
impossible. Kneeling like a slave at the alter of blind faith precludes standing on the shoulders of giants. Standing up as a defiantly free person is the first step towards standing on the shoulders of giants.
Without slavery, blind obedience, nor blind faith, there is then the opportunity for Proudhon's order, as represented by the wisdom of the statement, liberty and nonviolence are the mother, not the daughter, of order
If you and I each peacefully seek truth individually, we may still meet on the mountaintop of truth as free equals. Our paths can be different and yet converge. Advice and roadmaps can be freely shared (or not) and freely taken (or not) as one sees fit. Free people can stand on each other's shoulders.