Why did God create Human in the first place?

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Re: Why did God create Human in the first place?

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mystery wrote: May 27th, 2021, 7:48 amquote=gad-fly post_id=385375 time=1622059430 user_id=49200]

I see, so do you believe that God does not want humans to reproduce and to populate the earth? I suggest that as you have claimed that such an idea is idiotic.
God want most creatures to reproduce. If not, he would be burdened with the task from one generation to the next. Has he played with one-off creation, like plastic? I cannot see why not, but I believe he has panned in advance how it would end. Time is on his side.

Reproduction is a functional necessity. God does not create because of the function. He create things that can function well, whether one-off or repeatedly. Imagine God as the smartest kid on the block. He performs for a good reason, whether selfish or not, but you may not be smart enough to know.
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gad-fly wrote: May 30th, 2021, 11:50 am
mystery wrote: May 27th, 2021, 7:48 amquote=gad-fly post_id=385375 time=1622059430 user_id=49200]

I see, so do you believe that God does not want humans to reproduce and to populate the earth? I suggest that as you have claimed that such an idea is idiotic.
God want most creatures to reproduce. If not, he would be burdened with the task from one generation to the next. Has he played with one-off creation, like plastic? I cannot see why not, but I believe he has panned in advance how it would end. Time is on his side.

Reproduction is a functional necessity. God does not create because of the function. He create things that can function well, whether one-off or repeatedly. Imagine God as the smartest kid on the block. He performs for a good reason, whether selfish or not, but you may not be smart enough to know.
Hi Fly, sure, I agree that we can choose to select the position that God is God and that is the answer. If we try to look into that we start to consider all the possible reasons. As in the world is flat because we have not yet explored far enough. The God is God answer is not wrong or right, but it is like telling "because".
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mystery wrote: May 30th, 2021, 10:35 pm
Hi Fly, sure, I agree that we can choose to select the position that God is God and that is the answer. If we try to look into that we start to consider all the possible reasons. As in the world is flat because we have not yet explored far enough. The God is God answer is not wrong or right, but it is like telling "because".
The question: Why did God create human. To answer Because God is God is avoiding the question. Fine if you do not want to face the question. There must be more worthy questions to spend your time on.
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gad-fly wrote: May 30th, 2021, 11:41 pm
mystery wrote: May 30th, 2021, 10:35 pm
Hi Fly, sure, I agree that we can choose to select the position that God is God and that is the answer. If we try to look into that we start to consider all the possible reasons. As in the world is flat because we have not yet explored far enough. The God is God answer is not wrong or right, but it is like telling "because".
The question: Why did God create human. To answer Because God is God is avoiding the question. Fine if you do not want to face the question. There must be more worthy questions to spend your time on.
you may be not smart enough to know(your answer), because, and God is God are all the same answer; no answer. somehow you are not smart enough to know but can be sure that some answer is not the correct one. how can you be smart enough to know it's wrong yet not smart enough to know if it is right? sounds silly right?
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gad-fly wrote: May 21st, 2021, 11:39 pm I don't buy the argument "good can only manifest itself with its opposite which is evil". God creates in order to set up opposites? Come on. Wait till you enter heaven. Would you still ask for the presence of evil.

"The kingdom of heaven is within you." It is only a metaphor without much meaning. Say I am a patriot. The United Kingdom is within me.
When you consider “kingdom” as realm/experience - then it’s obvious “the kingdom of God is within you.”

My impression of the afterlife, is likely “many mansions” - many spiritual states of beings. A NDE explained various sizes of houses, depending on the good people did in life.

You bring up a good point questioning the need for evil. Eastern ideas would say there is neither just yin and yang, that good in one perspective may be bad in another & vice versa. Though some would try to use this to justify harming people. I don’t know how opposing values work - especially in the next life. But in this life, it does seem that “there must needs be opposition in all things.” Opposites are how we appreciate anything - & “gratitude is the parent of all virtues.”
“Empty is the argument of the philosopher which does not relieve any human suffering.” - Epicurus
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Newme wrote: May 31st, 2021, 6:26 pm
When you consider “kingdom” as realm/experience - then it’s obvious “the kingdom of God is within you.”

My impression of the afterlife, is likely “many mansions” - many spiritual states of beings. A NDE explained various sizes of houses, depending on the good people did in life.

You bring up a good point questioning the need for evil. Eastern ideas would say there is neither just yin and yang, that good in one perspective may be bad in another & vice versa. Though some would try to use this to justify harming people. I don’t know how opposing values work - especially in the next life. But in this life, it does seem that “there must needs be opposition in all things.” Opposites are how we appreciate anything - & “gratitude is the parent of all virtues.”
" kingdom as realm or experience." Do you mean the kingdom is within you? Or you mean the kingdom of God within you since you are inherently benign?

Need for opposites? I would say opposites arise as natural. God would not create with everything painted white. Black and white? May be, but I presume he would still find it so boring. And so would we. More than that, he would paint them colorfully. Agreed?

This bring one answer to the titled question. he create the world to be vibrant, lively, and interesting, and in the process to enjoy his creation. Evil and devil? It is the price he is prepared to pay.
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gad-fly wrote: May 31st, 2021, 11:12 pm" kingdom as realm or experience." Do you mean the kingdom is within you? Or you mean the kingdom of God within you since you are inherently benign?

Need for opposites? I would say opposites arise as natural. God would not create with everything painted white. Black and white? May be, but I presume he would still find it so boring. And so would we. More than that, he would paint them colorfully. Agreed?

This bring one answer to the titled question. he create the world to be vibrant, lively, and interesting, and in the process to enjoy his creation. Evil and devil? It is the price he is prepared to pay.
Spirituality (aka intuition) is within - that realm/kingdom is internal.

Definitely it’s not black or white. Though many are fooled into thinking it is - and so we have many falling for false dichotomies (republican v Democrat, BLM v WLM, religious v atheist etc). The more you look into anything, the more you see a type of Yin Yang. Just as GOoD/God is experienced within, so is evil. Not just within me or you - but within everyone. Good to know where the hero & villain are, right? 😉 Jung suggested if we want to handle well evil of others, we need to manage our own.

I like that you implied joy in creation.
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