I think we invented maths, and (or because?) we "discovered mathematical relations". I think the two go together, perhaps as intimately connected as the chicken and the egg. It's probably impossible to see which came first.
Atheism is not Logical
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Maths is relations. Relations rendered measurable or quantifiable.Pattern-chaser wrote: ↑January 16th, 2023, 11:25 amI think we invented maths, and (or because?) we "discovered mathematical relations". I think the two go together, perhaps as intimately connected as the chicken and the egg. It's probably impossible to see which came first.
It's not always easy for me, as an absolute idealist, to imagine how relativity is a human construct. I have to orient myself to relativity as a human construct by way of ubiquitous subjectivity which blocks access to absolute experience.
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Joshua10 wrote: ↑January 16th, 2023, 9:49 amAtheism is a belief system.It believes a God doesn’t exist.Sculptor1 wrote: ↑January 16th, 2023, 9:29 amAtheism is not a belief system. It has nothing to prove. That's your job as a person asserting an idea to be true.
The Big Bang theory is not in any sense connected to atheism.
If you knew your history the atheistic Hoyle did not like the theory because he suspected it was more theistic. If you were not so confused about what you mean by "god" you might even want to adopt the big bang because it is an example of a cosmology in which the Universe springs into being as if created.
Think about it!The theory of gravity was first given us by Sir Isaac Newton, a theist of the first order, and master of Trinity College.
It ain’t gonna be able to fit its mythical gravity theory into the multiple Big Bang and Big Crunch equation either.
Scientific theories whilst they tend not to need any explanations to do with divine intervention are nonetheless not connected directly with atheism.You seem to be going round and round on your cheap coracle, in a whirlpool of your own invention; directionless and rudderless..
It’s a ship without a paddle now.
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At least you have finally realised that you can’t hide behind modern day nonsense atheistic science anymore.
I have nothing to prove at all about belief systems one way or the other because I know I can’t provide definitive proof for the existence or non existence of a God but then neither can you.I don’t waste my time therefore.
Theism is a belief in God.If you knew anything about sound philosophy which you don’t you would know that a belief in a God won’t help you.That is how uninformed you are.Theism is the same as Atheism to me.
I’m not going around and around the hamsters wheel at all,that is atheisms domain.
My science, philosophy and psychology is perfectly balanced and totally sound thankyou.
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Relativity is not maths. Maths is the what we use to describe it.Belindi wrote: ↑January 16th, 2023, 1:02 pmMaths is relations. Relations rendered measurable or quantifiable.Pattern-chaser wrote: ↑January 16th, 2023, 11:25 amI think we invented maths, and (or because?) we "discovered mathematical relations". I think the two go together, perhaps as intimately connected as the chicken and the egg. It's probably impossible to see which came first.
It's not always easy for me, as an absolute idealist, to imagine how relativity is a human construct. I have to orient myself to relativity as a human construct by way of ubiquitous subjectivity which blocks access to absolute experience.
It's a tool, like writing, speaking, or any other type of communication.
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THere is no chicken egg problem.
There was no maths before humans conceived it.
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Evolution,atheism’s comfort blanket does not provide an ounce of definitive proof……nothing at all…….zilch, that is the fact of the matter,so let’s not go there.It should be teeming with definitive proof but you cannot find anything at all that even comes close to providing anything concrete.
Just because you desperately want something to be true doesn’t mean it is true.
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I'll take that as a yes. You deny evolution.Joshua10 wrote: ↑January 17th, 2023, 1:05 amEvolution,atheism’s comfort blanket does not provide an ounce of definitive proof……nothing at all…….zilch, that is the fact of the matter,so let’s not go there.It should be teeming with definitive proof but you cannot find anything at all that even comes close to providing anything concrete.
Just because you desperately want something to be true doesn’t mean it is true.
Can you describe what has happened in the past and what do fossils show us, if anything?
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Well I know that there should be billions and billions of transitional fossilised bones that show to minute detail the transitions from the thing that slithered out of the sea to the bone records of man and beast.Absolutely Nothing to write home about.Ziltch.Sculptor1 wrote: ↑January 17th, 2023, 7:00 amI'll take that as a yes. You deny evolution.Joshua10 wrote: ↑January 17th, 2023, 1:05 amEvolution,atheism’s comfort blanket does not provide an ounce of definitive proof……nothing at all…….zilch, that is the fact of the matter,so let’s not go there.It should be teeming with definitive proof but you cannot find anything at all that even comes close to providing anything concrete.
Just because you desperately want something to be true doesn’t mean it is true.
Can you describe what has happened in the past and what do fossils show us, if anything?
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Can you describe what has happened in the past and what do fossils show us, if anything?Joshua10 wrote: ↑January 17th, 2023, 10:31 amWell I know that there should be billions and billions of transitional fossilised bones that show to minute detail the transitions from the thing that slithered out of the sea to the bone records of man and beast.Absolutely Nothing to write home about.Ziltch.Sculptor1 wrote: ↑January 17th, 2023, 7:00 amI'll take that as a yes. You deny evolution.Joshua10 wrote: ↑January 17th, 2023, 1:05 amEvolution,atheism’s comfort blanket does not provide an ounce of definitive proof……nothing at all…….zilch, that is the fact of the matter,so let’s not go there.It should be teeming with definitive proof but you cannot find anything at all that even comes close to providing anything concrete.
Just because you desperately want something to be true doesn’t mean it is true.
Can you describe what has happened in the past and what do fossils show us, if anything?
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I refer you back to my previous response.Enough said.What is your point? You or anybody else for that matter don’t need to know anything else other than what I stated.You are not going to bombard me/us with more nonsense assumption science are you?Sculptor1 wrote: ↑January 17th, 2023, 10:55 amCan you describe what has happened in the past and what do fossils show us, if anything?Joshua10 wrote: ↑January 17th, 2023, 10:31 amWell I know that there should be billions and billions of transitional fossilised bones that show to minute detail the transitions from the thing that slithered out of the sea to the bone records of man and beast.Absolutely Nothing to write home about.Ziltch.Sculptor1 wrote: ↑January 17th, 2023, 7:00 amI'll take that as a yes. You deny evolution.Joshua10 wrote: ↑January 17th, 2023, 1:05 am
Evolution,atheism’s comfort blanket does not provide an ounce of definitive proof……nothing at all…….zilch, that is the fact of the matter,so let’s not go there.It should be teeming with definitive proof but you cannot find anything at all that even comes close to providing anything concrete.
Just because you desperately want something to be true doesn’t mean it is true.
Can you describe what has happened in the past and what do fossils show us, if anything?
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I'll take that as a no!Joshua10 wrote: ↑January 17th, 2023, 12:15 pmI refer you back to my previous response.Enough said.What is your point? You or anybody else for that matter don’t need to know anything else other than what I stated.You are not going to bombard me/us with more nonsense assumption science are you?Sculptor1 wrote: ↑January 17th, 2023, 10:55 amCan you describe what has happened in the past and what do fossils show us, if anything?Joshua10 wrote: ↑January 17th, 2023, 10:31 amWell I know that there should be billions and billions of transitional fossilised bones that show to minute detail the transitions from the thing that slithered out of the sea to the bone records of man and beast.Absolutely Nothing to write home about.Ziltch.
Obviously you have not the first clue and you are shockingly ignorant of the work of thousands of scholar and naturalists working in the field.
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