Atheism is not Logical

Discuss philosophical questions regarding theism (and atheism), and discuss religion as it relates to philosophy. This includes any philosophical discussions that happen to be about god, gods, or a 'higher power' or the belief of them. This also generally includes philosophical topics about organized or ritualistic mysticism or about organized, common or ritualistic beliefs in the existence of supernatural phenomenon.
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Belindi wrote: January 13th, 2023, 7:04 pm But maybe humans did not invent maths. Maybe humans discovered mathematical relations.
I think we invented maths, and (or because?) we "discovered mathematical relations". I think the two go together, perhaps as intimately connected as the chicken and the egg. It's probably impossible to see which came first.
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Pattern-chaser wrote: January 16th, 2023, 11:25 am
Belindi wrote: January 13th, 2023, 7:04 pm But maybe humans did not invent maths. Maybe humans discovered mathematical relations.
I think we invented maths, and (or because?) we "discovered mathematical relations". I think the two go together, perhaps as intimately connected as the chicken and the egg. It's probably impossible to see which came first.
Maths is relations. Relations rendered measurable or quantifiable.

It's not always easy for me, as an absolute idealist, to imagine how relativity is a human construct. I have to orient myself to relativity as a human construct by way of ubiquitous subjectivity which blocks access to absolute experience.
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Joshua10 wrote: January 16th, 2023, 9:49 am
Sculptor1 wrote: January 16th, 2023, 9:29 am
Joshua10 wrote: January 16th, 2023, 3:19 am Atheism doesn’t have any proof to back up its belief system now that its single Big Bang theory has been proven to be utter nonsense.
Atheism is not a belief system. It has nothing to prove. That's your job as a person asserting an idea to be true.

The Big Bang theory is not in any sense connected to atheism.
If you knew your history the atheistic Hoyle did not like the theory because he suspected it was more theistic. If you were not so confused about what you mean by "god" you might even want to adopt the big bang because it is an example of a cosmology in which the Universe springs into being as if created.
Think about it!

It ain’t gonna be able to fit its mythical gravity theory into the multiple Big Bang and Big Crunch equation either.
The theory of gravity was first given us by Sir Isaac Newton, a theist of the first order, and master of Trinity College.
Scientific theories whilst they tend not to need any explanations to do with divine intervention are nonetheless not connected directly with atheism.

It’s a ship without a paddle now.
You seem to be going round and round on your cheap coracle, in a whirlpool of your own invention; directionless and rudderless..

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Atheism is a belief system.It believes a God doesn’t exist.

At least you have finally realised that you can’t hide behind modern day nonsense atheistic science anymore.

I have nothing to prove at all about belief systems one way or the other because I know I can’t provide definitive proof for the existence or non existence of a God but then neither can you.I don’t waste my time therefore.

Theism is a belief in God.If you knew anything about sound philosophy which you don’t you would know that a belief in a God won’t help you.That is how uninformed you are.Theism is the same as Atheism to me.

I’m not going around and around the hamsters wheel at all,that is atheisms domain.

My science, philosophy and psychology is perfectly balanced and totally sound thankyou.
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Belindi wrote: January 16th, 2023, 1:02 pm
Pattern-chaser wrote: January 16th, 2023, 11:25 am
Belindi wrote: January 13th, 2023, 7:04 pm But maybe humans did not invent maths. Maybe humans discovered mathematical relations.
I think we invented maths, and (or because?) we "discovered mathematical relations". I think the two go together, perhaps as intimately connected as the chicken and the egg. It's probably impossible to see which came first.
Maths is relations. Relations rendered measurable or quantifiable.

It's not always easy for me, as an absolute idealist, to imagine how relativity is a human construct. I have to orient myself to relativity as a human construct by way of ubiquitous subjectivity which blocks access to absolute experience.
Relativity is not maths. Maths is the what we use to describe it.
It's a tool, like writing, speaking, or any other type of communication.
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Eggs come first.
THere is no chicken egg problem.

There was no maths before humans conceived it.
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Sculptor1 wrote: January 16th, 2023, 1:05 pm Eggs come first.
THere is no chicken egg problem.

There was no maths before humans conceived it.
Prove it….lol…
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Joshua10 wrote: January 16th, 2023, 1:33 pm
Sculptor1 wrote: January 16th, 2023, 1:05 pm Eggs come first.
THere is no chicken egg problem.

There was no maths before humans conceived it.
Prove it….lol…
There were fish before there were any chickens. Fish come from eggs.
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Sculptor1 wrote: January 16th, 2023, 2:11 pm
Joshua10 wrote: January 16th, 2023, 1:33 pm
Sculptor1 wrote: January 16th, 2023, 1:05 pm Eggs come first.
THere is no chicken egg problem.

There was no maths before humans conceived it.
Prove it….lol…
There were fish before there were any chickens. Fish come from eggs.
Were there …lol
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Joshua10 wrote: January 16th, 2023, 3:17 pm
Sculptor1 wrote: January 16th, 2023, 2:11 pm
Joshua10 wrote: January 16th, 2023, 1:33 pm
Sculptor1 wrote: January 16th, 2023, 1:05 pm Eggs come first.
THere is no chicken egg problem.

There was no maths before humans conceived it.
Prove it….lol…
There were fish before there were any chickens. Fish come from eggs.
Were there …lol
So do you deny evolution?
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Sculptor1 wrote: January 16th, 2023, 6:30 pm
Joshua10 wrote: January 16th, 2023, 3:17 pm
Sculptor1 wrote: January 16th, 2023, 2:11 pm
Joshua10 wrote: January 16th, 2023, 1:33 pm

Prove it….lol…
There were fish before there were any chickens. Fish come from eggs.
Were there …lol
So do you deny evolution?
:D
Evolution,atheism’s comfort blanket does not provide an ounce of definitive proof……nothing at all…….zilch, that is the fact of the matter,so let’s not go there.It should be teeming with definitive proof but you cannot find anything at all that even comes close to providing anything concrete.

Just because you desperately want something to be true doesn’t mean it is true.
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Joshua10 wrote: January 17th, 2023, 1:05 am
Sculptor1 wrote: January 16th, 2023, 6:30 pm
Joshua10 wrote: January 16th, 2023, 3:17 pm
Sculptor1 wrote: January 16th, 2023, 2:11 pm

There were fish before there were any chickens. Fish come from eggs.
Were there …lol
So do you deny evolution?
:D
Evolution,atheism’s comfort blanket does not provide an ounce of definitive proof……nothing at all…….zilch, that is the fact of the matter,so let’s not go there.It should be teeming with definitive proof but you cannot find anything at all that even comes close to providing anything concrete.

Just because you desperately want something to be true doesn’t mean it is true.
I'll take that as a yes. You deny evolution.

Can you describe what has happened in the past and what do fossils show us, if anything?
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Sculptor1 wrote: January 17th, 2023, 7:00 am
Joshua10 wrote: January 17th, 2023, 1:05 am
Sculptor1 wrote: January 16th, 2023, 6:30 pm
Joshua10 wrote: January 16th, 2023, 3:17 pm

Were there …lol
So do you deny evolution?
:D
Evolution,atheism’s comfort blanket does not provide an ounce of definitive proof……nothing at all…….zilch, that is the fact of the matter,so let’s not go there.It should be teeming with definitive proof but you cannot find anything at all that even comes close to providing anything concrete.

Just because you desperately want something to be true doesn’t mean it is true.
I'll take that as a yes. You deny evolution.

Can you describe what has happened in the past and what do fossils show us, if anything?
Well I know that there should be billions and billions of transitional fossilised bones that show to minute detail the transitions from the thing that slithered out of the sea to the bone records of man and beast.Absolutely Nothing to write home about.Ziltch.
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Joshua10 wrote: January 17th, 2023, 10:31 am
Sculptor1 wrote: January 17th, 2023, 7:00 am
Joshua10 wrote: January 17th, 2023, 1:05 am
Sculptor1 wrote: January 16th, 2023, 6:30 pm

So do you deny evolution?
:D
Evolution,atheism’s comfort blanket does not provide an ounce of definitive proof……nothing at all…….zilch, that is the fact of the matter,so let’s not go there.It should be teeming with definitive proof but you cannot find anything at all that even comes close to providing anything concrete.

Just because you desperately want something to be true doesn’t mean it is true.
I'll take that as a yes. You deny evolution.

Can you describe what has happened in the past and what do fossils show us, if anything?
Well I know that there should be billions and billions of transitional fossilised bones that show to minute detail the transitions from the thing that slithered out of the sea to the bone records of man and beast.Absolutely Nothing to write home about.Ziltch.
Can you describe what has happened in the past and what do fossils show us, if anything?
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Sculptor1 wrote: January 17th, 2023, 10:55 am
Joshua10 wrote: January 17th, 2023, 10:31 am
Sculptor1 wrote: January 17th, 2023, 7:00 am
Joshua10 wrote: January 17th, 2023, 1:05 am

Evolution,atheism’s comfort blanket does not provide an ounce of definitive proof……nothing at all…….zilch, that is the fact of the matter,so let’s not go there.It should be teeming with definitive proof but you cannot find anything at all that even comes close to providing anything concrete.

Just because you desperately want something to be true doesn’t mean it is true.
I'll take that as a yes. You deny evolution.

Can you describe what has happened in the past and what do fossils show us, if anything?
Well I know that there should be billions and billions of transitional fossilised bones that show to minute detail the transitions from the thing that slithered out of the sea to the bone records of man and beast.Absolutely Nothing to write home about.Ziltch.
Can you describe what has happened in the past and what do fossils show us, if anything?
I refer you back to my previous response.Enough said.What is your point? You or anybody else for that matter don’t need to know anything else other than what I stated.You are not going to bombard me/us with more nonsense assumption science are you?
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Joshua10 wrote: January 17th, 2023, 12:15 pm
Sculptor1 wrote: January 17th, 2023, 10:55 am
Joshua10 wrote: January 17th, 2023, 10:31 am
Sculptor1 wrote: January 17th, 2023, 7:00 am

I'll take that as a yes. You deny evolution.

Can you describe what has happened in the past and what do fossils show us, if anything?
Well I know that there should be billions and billions of transitional fossilised bones that show to minute detail the transitions from the thing that slithered out of the sea to the bone records of man and beast.Absolutely Nothing to write home about.Ziltch.
Can you describe what has happened in the past and what do fossils show us, if anything?
I refer you back to my previous response.Enough said.What is your point? You or anybody else for that matter don’t need to know anything else other than what I stated.You are not going to bombard me/us with more nonsense assumption science are you?
I'll take that as a no!
Obviously you have not the first clue and you are shockingly ignorant of the work of thousands of scholar and naturalists working in the field.
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