Homosexuality, sodomy, contraception and abortion

asksalot · Post by **asksalot** » November 7th, 2007, 8:50 pm

The major Churches have all vehemently opposed the following: homosexuality, sodomy, contraception and abortion.

Over-population is causing many problems including increasing the of drought, damaged crops, famines, smog, international conflicts, epidemics, gridlock, drugs, crime and waste. Mose people are aware of the problems of over-population.

There are many moral arguments made for and against homosexuality, sodomy, contraception and abortion. However, practically speaking, these things are clearly favorable.

Commercials encouraging the use of contraception are on TVs now. What do you think of commercials in favor of homosexuality, sodomy, and abortion?

What do you think?

pjkeeley · Post by **pjkeeley** » November 8th, 2007, 12:46 am

Commercials encouraging the use of contraception are on TVs now. What do you think of commercials in favor of homosexuality, sodomy, and abortion?

A commercial 'in favor' of homosexuality isn't going to do much. Homosexuality isn't a choice, so you can't decide based on a commercial that you are going to become gay from now on.

December 26th, 2007, 1:07 pm

A person can not usually choose what they find attractive. As such, people cannot choose whether or not they feel sexually attracted to members of the same gender. However, these people can decide whether to practice homosexuality. They can decide whether to carry out their attractions or to try and suppress the attractions.

Unfortunately, due to our society's relatively pointless hatred and disgust with homosexuality, caused in major part by religion, homosexuals have mostly tried to hide and suppress their homosexuality.

I could easily imagine that, if society progresses further, we would see commercials encouraging homosexuals to come out of the closet and to let go of their undue shame.

Thanks,
Scott

Moss · Post by **Moss** » January 11th, 2008, 8:20 pm

Yes we can choose to practice or suppress our homosexual attractions, but the fact remains we're still gay, I don't think the churches will see a difference. However, and I hesitate in writing this, but I can't help feeling the acceptance of homosexuality in the main stream is a fad, with new Puritanism somewhere in the future. If there are going to be adds encouraging gay people to come out, I think they'll be short lived.

I hope I’m wrong....

Marcus Clayman · Post by **Marcus Clayman** » January 20th, 2008, 9:42 pm

i think the churches focus too much on alternative life styles and not enough on nymphomania which has many more negative spiritual, and material effects... then again, they are not doing what is good spiritualy or materialy, they are doing what is good for them... they must state boundaries, so that people, both in and out of the churches can identify with or against them... it is nothing devine it is mear ego-identification, and if anything, seperating us all from god

coffeeprincess · Post by **coffeeprincess** » January 29th, 2008, 1:01 pm

Abortions are better than wire coast hangers.
Sodomy of a grown man by a grown man is better than child molestation and statutory rape.
Homosexuality is significantly better than ing a heterosexual then with=holding affection, or going out **** and giving your wife AIDs.

OTavern · Post by **OTavern** » February 2nd, 2008, 3:21 am

coffeeprincess wrote:Abortions are better than wire coast hangers.
Sodomy of a grown man by a grown man is better than child molestation and statutory rape.
Homosexuality is significantly better than ing a heterosexual then with=holding affection, or going out **** and giving your wife AIDs.

As far as a philosophical argument goes, this could be used to justify anything. Holding up a bank with a knife is safer than doing so with a machine gun, so let's allow robbery with knives so that no one has to resort to the more dangerous option of using a machine gun.

Just because an act appears less wrong than only one other option does not make it right or good. There may be other, better possibilities.

Why is sexual responsibility not one of your listed options?

To use your own argument:
Sexual responsibility is better than killing an innocent human life by abortion. So we should all act responsibly with regard to sexuality.
Or do you really believe abortion is a better option?

It seems to me that what you are advocating is that we can all justify our actions by appealing to the possibility of morally worse actions. Something is right if you can find a more evil option.

Bullies verbally abusing their victims is significantly better than physically abusing them so verbal abuse should be tolerated.

The question still remains: Is the act you are promoting ethically defensible? In other words is it a "good thing" rather than just less evil?

coffeeprincess · Post by **coffeeprincess** » February 2nd, 2008, 11:23 am

Alright, you are clearly being argumentative. This is a philosophical board, I will argue.

Of course it is better to be responsible and either abstain, use some kind of protection, or just do it in the butt.

However, in 1920s when it was considered vulgar and morally wrong to explain the rhythm method, and contraception of any kind was banned by the catholic and most other churches (as it still is) abortion was your only option other than dying at thirty from exhaustion after giving birth to twelve kids. The men had all the power and I agree that now it is too much in our power.

For instance, when I met my boyfriend, I wouldn't have considered abortion, but he would have. And now that we've been together for a long time and have been careful and have not gotten pregnant, if we did get pregnant we have decided we would have it. Kind of "old world" let god decide if spermicide fails.

Notice I didn't capitalize that g.

It's better to have an abortion than a lot of things, but yes, it is better to get pregnant on purpose.

Too bad we don't live in a perfect world.

coffeeprincess · Post by **coffeeprincess** » February 2nd, 2008, 3:26 pm

P.S.

I don't subscribe to the value judgment "good"

OTavern · Post by **OTavern** » February 2nd, 2008, 11:28 pm

coffeeprincess wrote:P.S.

I don't subscribe to the value judgment "good"

Let's toss the roadmap because it's a painful reminder of how lost we are.

http://www.peterkreeft.com/audio/05_rel ... iption.htm

Fpoiuyt · Post by **Fpoiuyt** » February 19th, 2008, 12:16 pm

coffeeprincess wrote:P.S.

I don't subscribe to the value judgment "good"

Your whole post was comparing things in terms of goodness: you kept saying 'better'. Am I missing something?

anarchyisbliss · Post by **anarchyisbliss** » February 28th, 2008, 4:55 pm

I feel that sexuality only exists in a biological sense. As a male my hormones tell me to have sex with a female so i can promulgate the human race, but psychologically i think all humans just want and enjoy sexual pleasure no matter who its from. And if you think about it when a man masturbates he is essentially having sex with a man but he still enjoys it ( same for a woman.) And most people probably admit to wanting or not being bothered by having sex with someone of the same gender as long as it's pleasurable.