Atla wrote: ↑May 7th, 2022, 5:15 pm
Sy Borg wrote: ↑May 7th, 2022, 4:53 pm
I think it's multi-causal. Most are born with this particular mutation and a small minority would have had their sexuality distorted by adult intervention (both screwed-up ideas and actions) during childhood.
Hormonal disruption during a foetus's brain formation may produce feminine gay men and transpeople, but it does not explain the many hyper masculine gays, operating with much the same spirit as queer Spartan warriors, whose bonding in wartime went beyond hugs and well-wishes.
I think it's for the most part a natural variant. The fact is that nature has a tendency to create males who have access to multiple females, which leaves a percentage of males with no hope of competing for a mate. Yet these beta males still have a sex urge, and still want intimate companionship like most other humans. What to do, if they cannot compete for females? Same sex behaviour is common in species where dominant males commandeer all of the females.
Whatever, nature itself is nowhere near as wedded to "white bread" heterosexuality as many humans.
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I think the hormonal issue is a lot more complicated than that. There are multiple hormonal impulses throughout gestation and there are multiple brain regions to be affected, they don't necessarily get affected equally. So that could explain the hyper masculine gays too.
I first considered this when I knew a lesbian and her sister was also a lesbian. Looks like they were simply born that way with no other homosexuals in the family. But their mother was an athlete in the Soviet Union and was presumably pumped full with hormones.
Obviously similar glitches could occur in some other species as well, while in some species homosexuality may be a natural variant. I don't think though that most straight human "beta" males turn gay even when they have no other options.
Generally, I agree. A mother with a male foetus who becomes especially stressed during the first trimester when the brain is forming will provide less testosterone during that period, so the brain is not shaped to be masculine. My guess is that, in the wild, extreme stress would be caused by food shortages and tribal warfare. There may be an advantage in times of famine to producing males who are less likely to breed, by reducing population pressures.
Also, naturally androgynous males are almost always presented with far more male interest and relational opportunities than from females. The situation is equivalent with androgynous women too, who tend to attract little interest from males. The persistent messaging that goes from childhood through to teens may also have an impact. In females, low testosterone levels would lead to low sex drive, which would also help when resources are relatively scarce.
In modern times, of course, such stress could just as easily be triggered by money problems, neuroses, relational problems or other "first world problems".