The connection between free will and the religious multiverse

Discuss philosophical questions regarding theism (and atheism), and discuss religion as it relates to philosophy. This includes any philosophical discussions that happen to be about god, gods, or a 'higher power' or the belief of them. This also generally includes philosophical topics about organized or ritualistic mysticism or about organized, common or ritualistic beliefs in the existence of supernatural phenomenon.
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Re: The connection between free will and the religious multiverse

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heracleitos wrote: April 19th, 2022, 8:56 am
Sculptor1 wrote: April 19th, 2022, 8:26 am I see. As with the other thread I think it time to end the conversation.
Agreed. As the OP of this thread, I would certainly be more than happy to talk with other people about the subject. Model theory has quite a bit of impact on metaphysics. If other people are open to that, let them feel free be my guest in this thread!
Good luck with that.
But remember if you wan to talk about the thread, you will need to talk about the thread.
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Reformatting the chaos of what is there.
It is a failure of the understanding. The easiest equation would be creating a multiverse so that the understanding can take refuge. I am not invested in the idea of a multiverse but I am invested in the understanding.
“Is the Oak the Acorn?”
“This which exist always existed”
The seeds of Human Free Will were there. Perhaps, in a “Beta assemble” In any case, the Observer causes change by observing. In some instances, the quantifiable pre-determined dimensions are similar to a conscious mind. It is possible to spin the energy of belief to access its cloud. The energy is real. The ideas are:
Is it a trip from a multiverse or an evolution from a primordial state?
The idea of a Universe and one God; therefore, a multiverse
The understanding is the source of the narrative
Math is an abstraction created by the understanding.
In conclusion: Free Will is the narrative of the Universe and from the observer’s POV (if part of a possible multiverse) a reality as well since this is the understanding. That is: it exist in one therefore, it exist in all.
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The Beast wrote: April 19th, 2022, 2:27 pm The idea of a Universe and one God; therefore, a multiverse
The idea of a heaven and a hell does actually not make use of the presupposition that God exists.

The only requirement is that we presuppose that we have free will. That is already enough to conclude the existence of nonstandard physical universes.

Of course, it still requires that the unknown Theory of Everything contains Robinson's Q fragment of Arithmetic Theory.
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Alternative definitions?
So, there is a place in a multiverse called Heaven and there is another called Hell and they just names you came up with. I am confused with historical definitions of what you said are religious multiverses. Not sure… so I looked at the word religion. Then, I thought of Heaven or Hell in the religious paradigm. Anyway, I could not validate your logic. Although, Free Will is explained within the religious dogma, it is also explained in multiple disciplines. It is a wide semantic variable. I am also confused with the use of Multiverse and Universe and so I failed to understand, and I mean this: I suspect that you have a different methodology (non-logical) to argue a belief or against the idea of a Universe and one God.
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The Beast wrote: April 19th, 2022, 10:32 pm I suspect that you have a different methodology (non-logical) to argue a belief or against the idea of a Universe and one God.
I do not argue against the belief in God.

In fact, I do believe in God.

I just do not make use of this belief in this post, because it is not needed.

"If free will exists, then we live in a multiverse."

As you can see, this statement does not make any deistic or atheist representations. It is strictly neutral in that regard.

It simply means that even atheists can believe in existence of heaven and hell.
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