JackDaydream wrote: ↑June 10th, 2022, 9:57 pmThe idea of the daimon and demons is such a big difference and most people are far more familiar with the concept of demons. The idea of the daimon may far more obscure. In thinking about channelling it does seem that caution is extremely important, to avoid succumbing to the dark side of the collective unconscious. However, this aspect may be part of life anyway, so it may be that some kind of critical discernment is part of the process of thinking about all ideas which arise in a the human mind. Some may be dressed up in the veils of notions of the supernatural. The whole idea of the supernatural as a foundation can be problematic in itself, as if it comes from some higher dimension. It is so easy to become confused here. In separating the natural and supernatural, as well as any ideals derived from these notions, is a the task of phlosophy. The principle of reason is extremely important, but this may be about the essentials of ethics and human values, as well as the metaphysics and epistemology underlying religious perspectives, including the philosophy of Christianity.Nick_A wrote: ↑June 10th, 2022, 7:17 pm Demons and daemons are not the same. I believe a person can experience demonic influences a well as the beneficial influences of a daemon. Socrates had a daemon:
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So I don't know how to find the truth in this. But when a demon announces that it is Jesus Christ, my gut feeling is to be very wary of what one has channelled. It may want to feed on you rather then serve you.Socrates often mentions that he is guided by a daemon, a kind of divine spirit, oracle, or “sign,” that takes the form of an inner voice or non-vocal nudge. The guide never tells Socrates what to do. It only indicates when Socrates is not to do something.
This distinction is important. One way to tell that a dialogue is spurious is if it has Socrates’ daemon tell someone else what to do.
Socrates learned over time to listen to this inner divine voice. He acted in service to it. Nothing that he does in his life is untouched by this inner divine voice.
He describes it in the Apology:
You have heard me speak at sundry times and in diverse places of an oracle or sign which comes to me, and is the divinity which Meletus ridicules in the indictment. This sign, which is a kind of voice, first began to come to me when I was a child; it always forbids but never commands me to do anything which I am going to do. This is what deters me from being a politician.
Later, he explains that the defense he is giving to the Athenian court has been approved by this inner divine voice.
Hitherto the divine faculty of which the internal oracle is the source has constantly been in the habit of opposing me even about trifles, if I was going to make a slip or error in any matter; and now as you see there has come upon me that which may be thought, and is generally believed to be, the last and worst evil. But the oracle made no sign of opposition, either when I was leaving my house in the morning, or when I was on my way to the court, or while I was speaking, at anything which I was going to say; and yet I have often been stopped in the middle of a speech, but now in nothing I either said or did touching the matter in hand has the oracle opposed me. What do I take to be the explanation of this silence? I will tell you. It is an intimation that what has happened to me is a good, and that those of us who think that death is an evil are in error. For the customary sign would surely have opposed me had I been going to evil and not to good.
I watched an old sci fi classic "The Forbidden Planet" tonight. The suggested idea here is that a super intelligence can create thought forms called "Monsters from the Id" This is really a thought form like we've been discussing.JackDaydream wrote: ↑June 10th, 2022, 9:57 pmThe idea of the daimon and demons is such a big difference and most people are far more familiar with the concept of demons. The idea of the daimon may far more obscure. In thinking about channelling it does seem that caution is extremely important, to avoid succumbing to the dark side of the collective unconscious. However, this aspect may be part of life anyway, so it may be that some kind of critical discernment is part of the process of thinking about all ideas which arise in a the human mind. Some may be dressed up in the veils of notions of the supernatural. The whole idea of the supernatural as a foundation can be problematic in itself, as if it comes from some higher dimension. It is so easy to become confused here. In separating the natural and supernatural, as well as any ideals derived from these notions, is a the task of phlosophy. The principle of reason is extremely important, but this may be about the essentials of ethics and human values, as well as the metaphysics and epistemology underlying religious perspectives, including the philosophy of Christianity.Nick_A wrote: ↑June 10th, 2022, 7:17 pm Demons and daemons are not the same. I believe a person can experience demonic influences a well as the beneficial influences of a daemon. Socrates had a daemon:
https://markandrealexander.com/2015/07/ ... ner-voice/
So I don't know how to find the truth in this. But when a demon announces that it is Jesus Christ, my gut feeling is to be very wary of what one has channelled. It may want to feed on you rather then serve you.Socrates often mentions that he is guided by a daemon, a kind of divine spirit, oracle, or “sign,” that takes the form of an inner voice or non-vocal nudge. The guide never tells Socrates what to do. It only indicates when Socrates is not to do something.
This distinction is important. One way to tell that a dialogue is spurious is if it has Socrates’ daemon tell someone else what to do.
Socrates learned over time to listen to this inner divine voice. He acted in service to it. Nothing that he does in his life is untouched by this inner divine voice.
He describes it in the Apology:
You have heard me speak at sundry times and in diverse places of an oracle or sign which comes to me, and is the divinity which Meletus ridicules in the indictment. This sign, which is a kind of voice, first began to come to me when I was a child; it always forbids but never commands me to do anything which I am going to do. This is what deters me from being a politician.
Later, he explains that the defense he is giving to the Athenian court has been approved by this inner divine voice.
Hitherto the divine faculty of which the internal oracle is the source has constantly been in the habit of opposing me even about trifles, if I was going to make a slip or error in any matter; and now as you see there has come upon me that which may be thought, and is generally believed to be, the last and worst evil. But the oracle made no sign of opposition, either when I was leaving my house in the morning, or when I was on my way to the court, or while I was speaking, at anything which I was going to say; and yet I have often been stopped in the middle of a speech, but now in nothing I either said or did touching the matter in hand has the oracle opposed me. What do I take to be the explanation of this silence? I will tell you. It is an intimation that what has happened to me is a good, and that those of us who think that death is an evil are in error. For the customary sign would surely have opposed me had I been going to evil and not to good.
The Krell were peaceful people but were unaware of the power of the subconscious id and what it can create. Maybe man can create its own demons; who knows.