Atla wrote: ↑June 23rd, 2022, 1:10 pm
3017Metaphysician wrote: ↑June 23rd, 2022, 1:01 pm
Atla wrote: ↑June 23rd, 2022, 12:15 pm
3017Metaphysician wrote: ↑June 23rd, 2022, 8:05 am
Most a-theists try to argue for the concept of no-thing (I.E., alta, and other's) or nihilism, etc. which of course is a straw man, when as well all know (as you say) there is something and not nothing.
Just for the record, I have never in any way, shape or form stated or implied that there is nothing rather something, I'm not a nihilist. Looks like more confusion based on irrational assumptions. (Also, it's Atla not alta.)
Alta Quote:
"3. I think cause and effect as normally understood, are inherently illogical. I think the case is probably that dimensions are circular, time and space go in circle but without repeating. It's all a closed loop. So we have the appearance of cause and effect, and it's very useful from our linear perspective, but nothing actually changes."
I'm confused. does that correspond to something, nothing, or an illusion?
We were talking about the nature of cause and effect, which is how things are arranged, how things are related to each other. Whether things exist, don't exist, or are illusory, is not even the same topic.
(Also, it's Atla not Alta.)
Don't take this the wrong way, but your intellectual dishonesty has lead most, including me, to believe you're trolling, again.
For some reason, it seems as though you intentionally misrepresent your position. Perhaps it is easier to divert attention from a
feeling of so-called 'defeat', rather than deal with an opponent's real argument, not sure.
Again, the broader topic is how Atla arrives at a belief system that posits things like no-God, no cause and effect (cosmological argument), and so on.
Since you've said cause and effect is "inherently illogical" I'm asking you to support that belief and/or conclusion. Please share your sense of logic, relative to that belief (or any belief for that matter), if you are able.
“Concerning matter, we have been all wrong. What we have called matter is energy, whose vibration has been so lowered as to be perceptible to the senses. There is no matter.” "Spooky Action at a Distance"
― Albert Einstein