Existence is absolute

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Existence is absolute

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I believe the first step in knowing existence is to know it's absolute. With that knowledge comes all knowledge. Thus when we become our souls everything will be absolute (all the souls and the realm). Also, if one believes in Heaven you can say Heaven is absolute. By absolute I'm implying infinite or beyond. I know existence is absolute and when I came to that awakening I learned a lot about existence. Yes... absolute bliss etc for all eternity.
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Dracula wrote: July 5th, 2022, 4:04 am I believe the first step in knowing existence is to know it's absolute. With that knowledge comes all knowledge. Thus when we become our souls everything will be absolute (all the souls and the realm). Also, if one believes in Heaven you can say Heaven is absolute. By absolute I'm implying infinite or beyond. I know existence is absolute and when I came to that awakening I learned a lot about existence. Yes... absolute bliss etc for all eternity.

This post is devoid of any meaning.
Which of the definitions of "absolute" are you referring to, since none of them makes any sense given the way you have applied the word.
Since you seem to have absolute knowledge then you ought to be able to answer this question without reference to the Internet to look up the definitions.
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What I mean by absolute is, one two three all the way to the top. For example, here's chocolate cake, here's absolute chocolate cake. It tastes a lot better. Another example would be, here's a human's mind, here's an absolute human mind. He's a lot smarter. Let me say this, everything in existence is a word and everything in existence is a number. Numbers are the gateway to knowing the truth. Here's the universe, here's an absolute universe.
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Sculptor1 has a point. Your OP is sprinkled with "absolute", which you explain as meaning "infinite or beyond". But the meaning of the sentences in which you use "absolute" is not at all clear. Your OP could describe some sort of religious enlightenment, or something quite different. Can you please clarify? Thanks.
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Note that P-C would not have seen Dracula's latest post when he posted due to the approvals process for new members.
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Dracula wrote: July 5th, 2022, 5:12 am What I mean by absolute is, one two three all the way to the top. For example, here's chocolate cake, here's absolute chocolate cake. It tastes a lot better. Another example would be, here's a human's mind, here's an absolute human mind. He's a lot smarter.
You seem to be using "absolute" to mean something close to "perfect". A "perfect" chocolate cake tastes better than a less-than-perfect one. It's an unusual usage, but OK...


Dracula wrote: July 5th, 2022, 5:12 am Let me say this, everything in existence is a word and everything in existence is a number. Numbers are the gateway to knowing the truth. Here's the universe, here's an absolute universe.
In what way do numbers offer a gateway to knowing the truth, do you think?
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Pattern-chaser wrote: July 6th, 2022, 9:19 am
Dracula wrote: July 5th, 2022, 5:12 am What I mean by absolute is, one two three all the way to the top. For example, here's chocolate cake, here's absolute chocolate cake. It tastes a lot better. Another example would be, here's a human's mind, here's an absolute human mind. He's a lot smarter.
You seem to be using "absolute" to mean something close to "perfect". A "perfect" chocolate cake tastes better than a less-than-perfect one. It's an unusual usage, but OK...


Dracula wrote: July 5th, 2022, 5:12 am Let me say this, everything in existence is a word and everything in existence is a number. Numbers are the gateway to knowing the truth. Here's the universe, here's an absolute universe.
In what way do numbers offer a gateway to knowing the truth, do you think?
No see my meaning of absolute is a number. Here's a potion of bliss, here's a potion of bliss times one hundred, here's you in bliss times one hundred. Another example is, here's 12 colors, here's infinite colors. There's an absolute number of colors and every one color is absolute.

I'm just saying the universe times a number tells the truth about the real existence (that we will be in for all eternity). Like a human times a number tells the truth about the soul.

Let me add another concept. Here's a simplification of all of existence.

Wil O Wisp = A soul
Space = The realm

Infinite wil o wisps and infinite space.

As above so below.

Let's call that Wispverse. You have wispverse times one and an absolute wispverse. In which you have fundamental properties of the body and soul. Like muscles. In the real existence (Lets call it Origin or Heaven) you also have muscles, which are speed. Just like a human running 25 MPH you have a soul that can run infinite or absolute MPH.

Here's the Universe, here's the absolute Universe. If you take the universe and simply make it absolute you have Origin or Heaven.

Like someone saying this, Heaven is infinite. The universe and all of the humans times a number reveals the truth that is Origin or Heaven.
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What I am seeing is a blend of whimsical guesswork and mythology. As is so often the case, those who start with the proposition that the mythical God as described in the Bible is real come up with odd and wildly speculative schemas to explain it. Not sure why they bother pulling at that thread.

What theists should ever more start to appreciate is that there is no possible coherent way to describe God as a play in physical reality, because God is a metameme, a multi-use concept that exists within human minds that has the overall effect of increasing dopamine and oxytocin production in the brain of believers by providing pleasurable imaginative creations and reducing fear of death.

Theists should be better off appreciating that there is no sensible or coherent way to explain the existence of a creator God, and to simply embrace their faith for faith's sake without pretending to explain it. Theists have the option of dismissing all objections with mysterianism. Belief is not rational, rather belief in God is inherently creative, hence every believer creates their own personal conception of God (or Allah, etc).

Camus observed that the "philosophical suicide" of religious faith is a means of coping with life's absurdity, to embrace a pleasant fantasy, which cushions the blow of seeking meaning in life within an uncaring and dangerous universe.
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Sy Borg wrote: July 6th, 2022, 9:27 pm What I am seeing is a blend of whimsical guesswork and mythology. As is so often the case, those who start with the proposition that the mythical God as described in the Bible is real come up with odd and wildly speculative schemas to explain it. Not sure why they bother pulling at that thread.
I can't tell if you're talking to me or not. Let me clarify what I believe in and what I was saying. I believe in Origin not Heaven. Origin is just souls and a realm. I relate to everyone when I talk about the existence that we'll have as our souls forever. Origin and Heaven would be the same thing, minus a God.
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Dracula wrote: July 5th, 2022, 4:04 am I believe the first step in knowing existence is to know it's absolute. With that knowledge comes all knowledge. Thus when we become our souls everything will be absolute (all the souls and the realm). Also, if one believes in Heaven you can say Heaven is absolute. By absolute I'm implying infinite or beyond. I know existence is absolute and when I came to that awakening I learned a lot about existence. Yes... absolute bliss etc for all eternity.
Existence is absolute because it is the essence of everything, material and and abstract. Because it has no origin, it has no end, it transcends time and space. Because it exists in everything and and everywhere, as the essence, we too are Existence in our essence. Its nature is the bliss from fullness, which the lack of nothing.
How meaningful is it to realize our true nature and essence as eternal existence, when all we see is the world and how transient and limited it is by time and space, and causes suffering? When this Unreality of names and forms is what we have to transact with day in and day out?
It requires an existential shift from viewing the material world as the end and means of all there is, as a source of happiness which it fails to give us every time, and accessing our inner resources, namely kindness and compassion that provides joy that does not diminish. How we get there is what life is about.
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Pattern-chaser wrote: July 6th, 2022, 9:19 am In what way do numbers offer a gateway to knowing the truth, do you think?
Numbers are abstract concepts. Number 6. When it interacts with other numbers it transforms them - 3 to 18, 4 to 24 and so on. We know very well HOW it does that, the mathematics of it, we see it. But WHY? What is it about 6 which is an abstract concept? I think mathematics leads us to recognizing eternal Truth.
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Sy Borg wrote: July 6th, 2022, 9:27 pm What I am seeing is a blend of whimsical guesswork and mythology. As is so often the case, those who start with the proposition that the mythical God as described in the Bible is real come up with odd and wildly speculative schemas to explain it. Not sure why they bother pulling at that thread.

What theists should ever more start to appreciate is that there is no possible coherent way to describe God as a play in physical reality, because God is a metameme, a multi-use concept that exists within human minds that has the overall effect of increasing dopamine and oxytocin production in the brain of believers by providing pleasurable imaginative creations and reducing fear of death.

Theists should be better off appreciating that there is no sensible or coherent way to explain the existence of a creator God, and to simply embrace their faith for faith's sake without pretending to explain it. Theists have the option of dismissing all objections with mysterianism. Belief is not rational, rather belief in God is inherently creative, hence every believer creates their own personal conception of God (or Allah, etc).

Camus observed that the "philosophical suicide" of religious faith is a means of coping with life's absurdity, to embrace a pleasant fantasy, which cushions the blow of seeking meaning in life within an uncaring and dangerous universe.
I agree that Christianity's concept of a creator God limits the nature of absolute existence. But there are several other ways of looking at Existence, as eternal and transcendental, even within Christianity. The problem with insistence on reading the Bible as a literal text, both by theists and atheists, is a tragic mistake. It is the hole that makes the donut, not the fatty flour and eggs and oil. Explaining that hole with mere words to people who have limited capacity, time, patience and willingness, is impossible. Only metaphors will do, and ultimately the Absolute needs to be experienced, not understood.
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Pattern-chaser wrote: July 6th, 2022, 9:19 am In what way do numbers offer a gateway to knowing the truth, do you think?
AmericanKestrel wrote: July 21st, 2022, 1:01 pm Numbers are abstract concepts. Number 6. When it interacts with other numbers it transforms them - 3 to 18, 4 to 24 and so on. We know very well HOW it does that, the mathematics of it, we see it. But WHY? What is it about 6 which is an abstract concept? I think mathematics leads us to recognizing eternal Truth.
What is it about 6 which is an abstract concept? That it is a number, I think.

I think numbers may be combined, not that they interact. The rules that govern these combinations are the rules of arithmetic. These follow directly — deductively — from the axioms of set and number theory. And there we reach the end of the trail.

Axioms are guesses, things that we think should be true, but we have no way to show that it is so. As to why? I don't think there is an answer to that. We can explain why 3 times 6 = 18, because of the chain of reasoning I just described. But any more general "Why?" questions evade an answer, I think.
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Dracula wrote: July 5th, 2022, 4:04 am I believe the first step in knowing existence is to know it's absolute. With that knowledge comes all knowledge. Thus when we become our souls everything will be absolute (all the souls and the realm). Also, if one believes in Heaven you can say Heaven is absolute. By absolute I'm implying infinite or beyond. I know existence is absolute and when I came to that awakening I learned a lot about existence. Yes... absolute bliss etc for all eternity.
If the universe isn't absolute how can existence be?
The earth has a skin and that skin has diseases; one of its diseases is called man ... Nietzsche
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Dracula wrote: July 7th, 2022, 8:21 pmI relate to everyone when I talk about the existence that we'll have as our souls forever.
Maybe we won't, though? Maybe when you die, you just snuff it, end of story? We have reports from the "border" but not from the other side, so it's an unknown.
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