Atheist can never disprove the existence of God

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Atheist can never disprove the existence of God

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The atheists can never disprove the existence of unimaginable God due to several unimaginable events (miracles) exhibited by several Godly people and due to several practical experiences of the existence of unimaginable power of God during the lives of several people in this world. The miracles are exhibited not only by Godly people and human incarnations but also by evil people having very bad character and conduct, cheating the public in many ways. The development of atheism is mainly due to the existence of such evil people only. But, the atheists are also not analyzing the miracle performed by an evil person.

The concept of the miracle is completely different and has nothing to do with the character of the person performing that miracle. A petty fellow, who has worst character due to bad habits like drinking etc., is announcing a rule of Municipality in a town to the public. The message of the announcement has nothing to do with the character of the announcer. Since, the announcer is a bad fellow, you cannot ignore the message of the Municipality and behave as you like. The announcer will be separately punished for his bad character. You will be also punished if you ignore his announcement based on the point that the announcer is not a good fellow.

Similarly, you have to take the point conveyed by the miracle and ignore the character of the evil person performing that miracle. God will punish him separately for his evil nature. From the unimaginable event (miracle), you should conclude the existence of unimaginable God. This is the message of any miracle to create the fundamental belief in God. Some people having jealousy on great devotees of God or the human incarnation of God, reject the greatness of devotees or incarnation based on miracles by saying “even dirty people perform these miracles. What is the greatness by such miracles?”. They pass such comments due to two reasons:

1) they are jealous of the greatness of devotees or incarnation and

2) they have not understood the message conveyed by a miracle. If a good fellow is announcing a message and if you say that the same message was also announced by a bad fellow previously and hence the message should be neglected, is it correct? A miracle is necessary for majority of human beings to have real belief in the existence of God. Several people are standing on the ground and require this to climb the first step. After having the full belief in the existence of God, miracles are not necessary because the second step is to attain the grace of God through practical sacrifice. But, several theists also need the observation of miracles, because their belief is not perfect and hence to strengthen their belief, miracles are necessary. Even a person having full faith in the existence of God should not criticize the miracles, because you cannot ignore the first step after climbing the second step.
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Re: Atheist can never disprove the existence of God

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dattaswami wrote: November 12th, 2022, 2:37 am The atheists can never disprove the existence of unimaginable God due to several unimaginable events (miracles) exhibited by several Godly people and due to several practical experiences of the existence of unimaginable power of God during the lives of several people in this world.
No, atheists cannot disprove the existence of God, for the same reason that believers cannot prove the existence of God. There is no evidence to justify either stance. Only agnosticism can be justified. The view of believers like myself, and atheists too, of course, is not amenable to proof or disproof.
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This is a classic example of Russell's Teapot. The post here assumes there already is a so called, God. With absolutely zero empirical evidence. What happened to proving this concept exists vs. just magically starting with one? Have we effectively entered Newton's Flaming Sword? Perhaps.
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At question would be firstly: can God be a Being if it is to fulfil a role as origin of Being? (I am not religious myself but I am interested in exploring the origin of existence)

The following topic might be of interest for an already ongoing in-depth discussion:

Theism: Not the Foundation of Logic (TAG defeater) (TAG = transcendental argument for God)
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Astro Cat wrote: June 18th, 2022, 1:43 am I say that this is problematic, as mentioned before, because it puts the cart firmly before the horse. How could God be the foundation for anything at all without being God? In other words, doesn't it seem a necessary condition for God = God to be true before God can somehow make A = A to be true? But that is Identity: it seems as though identity is a necessary precondition for God to be God rather than the other way around!
The idea that God would need to be a being seems invalid. Therefore the empirical reality substantiated idea 'God = God to be true' to be a necessary condition, is not valid. God seems to precede the potential for A = A to be possible.

I recently participated in the topic Logical Limitation of the Logic which indicates that logic has a limit, which is indicative that it requires an (a priori) explanation outside the scope of reason.
Astro Cat wrote: June 20th, 2022, 2:08 pm If existence "cannot apply" to God, then I'm not entirely sure what's even being said. Either a god exists or one does not. My post was directed at arguments with a god proposed to exist.
The French philosopher Emmanuel Levinas addresses it in his concept The duality of Saying and Said.
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JDBowden wrote: November 12th, 2022, 10:54 am This is a classic example of Russell's Teapot. The post here assumes there already is a so called, God. With absolutely zero empirical evidence. What happened to proving this concept exists vs. just magically starting with one? Have we effectively entered Newton's Flaming Sword? Perhaps.
When evolutionary change if found without any evolutionary pressure to produce the variation, biologists may conclude that CO-occurrence must be the cause. Co-occurrence states that the gene for the identified difference is close to a hard-selected gene on the same DNA strand. Such 'gene linking' results in its more likely propagation by successful individuals. It's not considered particularly important how long it will take to design gene maps for all cited cases of co-occurrence. Estimates of the necessary gene sequencing of all documented characteristics with no known selection force are in the range of 20,000 years.

Regardless how long it would take, biologists create gene maps by measuring the probability of two variations both occurring in the same individual. As gene co-occurrence is measured statistically, rather than deduced from microbiological chemistry, there is no necessary correlation between the resulting gene maps and what the DNA is actually doing. As evolution positions genes on DNA strands to produce observed results, the theory makes its own definition of how DNA strands must be working. That makes genetic theory impervious to falsification.

To illustrate the problem, let's hypothesize that animals choose mates based on their own concept of 'beauty' or 'aesthetics.' That would alter the observed statistical probability of genetic propagation. But the gene maps are simply based on statistical likelihoods of different genes occurring together in a new individual. That means the genes could actually be in different places on the DNA strands. The method used to produce the gene maps assumes there are no other influences on the observed statistical relationships. But there are many possible influences, called 'teleological explanations,' which hold there is some purpose, such as animal consciousness, or even divine influence, causing the genes to appear to be in different places than any actual microbiological mechanisms derived from DNA strands that cause the physical variations. That somewhat dilutes the significance of evolution as a complete explanation of species origination. There could be other teleological forces at work, but the gene maps have included their selection pressure already. Thus alternate explanations have been 'explained away,' with a liberal application of Occam's razor hiding how the gene maps could be wrong.
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Christianity can never disprove the existence of....

Zeus: King of the Greek Gods.
Poseidon: God of the sea.
Hades: The misunderstood god of the underworld. He deprived Herc of his immortality.
Hera: Queen of the Greek Gods.
Ares: God of war.
Athena: Goddess of wisdom.
Hephaestus: God of blacksmiths.
Hermes: Messenger god.
Demeter: Goddess of cereal grains.
Dionysus: God of wine.
Aphrodite: Goddess of love
Apollo: God of the sun.
Artemis: Goddess of the moon.
Eros: God of love and Aphrodite's brother.
Pan: God of shepherds.
Harmonia: Goddess of harmony.
Hebe: Goddess of youth.
Nike: Goddess of victory.
Persephone: Goddess of spring and queen of Hades's underworld.
Asclepius: God of medicine.
Hecate: Goddess of witchcraft.
Bia: God of might.
Eris: Goddess of chaos.
Deimos: God of terror.
Phobos: God of fear.
Kratos: God of force.
Alecto, Megaera, and Tisiphone: Goddesses of revenge.
Vesta: Goddess of the hearth.
Thanatos: God of death.
Rhode: Goddess of the sea.
Nyx: Goddess of night.
Enyo: Ares's daughter.
Atropos, Clotho, and Lachesis: Goddesses of fate.
Gaia: Goddess of the earth.
Iris: Goddess of the rainbow.
Eos: Goddess of the dawn.
Hercules: Son of Zeus.
Chronus: God of time, agriculture, and evil.
Terminus: God of borders.
Janus: God of the past, present, and future.
Sylvanus: God of the wilderness.
Norse
Odin: All-Father of the Norse Gods and their king.
Thor: God of thunder.
Loki: God of evil and mischief.
Heimdall: Sentry of Asgard.
Baldr: God of light.
Hodur: God of the blind.
Hermod: Messenger god.
Frey: God of crops and Freyja's brother.
Freya: Goddess of love and beauty and Frey's sister.
Forseti: God of justice.
Bragi: God of poets.
Hel: Goddess of the underworld and Loki's friend.
Sif: Valkyrie and goddess of thunder, Thor's sister-in-law.
Frigga: All-Mother of the Norse Gods and their queen.
Tyr: God of war.
Njord: God of the sea, winds and storms.
Mimir: God of knowledge and wisdom.
Urd, Skuld, and Verandi: Goddesses of destiny.
Volla: Goddess of prophecy.
Vidar: One of Odin's last children.
Ratatoskr: The squirrel of Yggdrasil.
Egyptian
Ra: Pharaoh of the Egyptian Gods.
Khepri: God of scarabs and sunrise.
Osiris: God of rebirth.
Anubis: God of the dead.
Isis: Osiris's wife.
Horus: God of light.
Set: God of evil and darkness.
Bast: Cat goddess.
Bes: Dwarf god.
Sobek: Crocodile god of the Nile.
Nephthys: Set's former wife.
Hathor: Goddess of love.
Sekhmet: Goddess of war.
Thoth: God of wisdom.
Serqet: Goddess of medicine.
Nepri: God of crops.
Hapi: God of water.
Taweret: Guardian of pregnancy.
Khonsu: God of the moon.
Medjed: God popular in foreign nations like Japan.
Kebechet: Protective goddess.
Anhur: God of war.
Pakhet: Goddess of the hunt.
Ha: God of the deserts west of Egypt.
Heh: God of infinity.
Nu: Goddess holding the Solar Boat.
Dua: God of the toilet.
Min: God of fertility.
Shai: God of luck and fortune.
Ptah: God of craftsman.
Chinese
Pan-Ku: Creator God.
Shennong: Predecessor to Yu Huang.
Nu Wa: Snake-tailed goddess.
Yu Huang: God of heaven.
Sun Wukong: Monkey King.
Hou Tou: Goddess of the earth.
Guan Yu: God of war.
Tian Mu: Goddess of lightning and Lei Gong's sister.
Lei Gong: God of thunder and Tian Mu's brother.
Shou Hsing: God of health and longevity.
Xi Wangmu: Goddess of immortality.
Kui Xing: God of exams and paperwork.
Zhu Rong: God of fire.
Nezha: God of mischief.
Yen-Lo Wang: God of death.
Zao Shen: Kitchen God.
Choy Sun Yeh: God of prosperity.
Chang'e: Goddess of the moon.
Eight Immortals: Defend China.
Japanese
Izanagi: God of the sky.
Izanami: Goddess of the earth.
Amaterasu: Goddess of the sun.
Tsukuyomi: God of the moon.
Susanoo: God of the sea and storm.
Bishamon: God of war and fortune.
Hotei: God of joy and laughter.
Ebisu: God of fishers.
Daikokuten: God of wealth, commerce, and trade.
Banzaiten: Goddess of knowledge, art, and beauty.
Fukurokuju: God of happiness.
Jurōjin: God of long life.
Inari: God of rice.
Kaminari: Goddess of lightning and Raijin's sister.
Raijin: God of lightning and thunder and Kaminari's brother.
Fujin: God of the wind.
Kagutsuchi: God of fire.
Ame-No-Mi-Kumari: Goddess of water.
Amatsu-Mikaboshi: God of evil and chaos.
Kuzenbo: The kappa king.
Celtic
The Dagda: God of magic, wisdom, and heaven.
Balor: Evil-eyed god.
Angus: God of youth.
Anpao: God of death.
Cerridwen: Goddess of witchcraft.
Cernunnos: God of the hunt, harvest and fertility.
Gwynn: God of springtime.
Danu: Goddess of the earth.
Leir: God of lightning and the spear.
Fuamnach: Goddess of marriage.
Bodb Derg: God of war.
Lugh: God of heroes and the sun.
Nuada: God of warriors.
Morrigan: Goddess of war and death.
Arawn: God of the dead and the underworld.
Badb: Goddess of war.
Brigit: Goddess of wisdom.
Boann: Goddess of rivers.
Taranis: God of the elements.
Artio: Goddess of bears.
Epona: Goddess of horses.
Cairbre: God of speed and bards.
Carman: Goddess of foreigners and dark magic.
Dub: God of blackness.
Dother: God of evil.
Dian: God of violence.
Hindu
Brahman: Creator of India.
Vishnu: Preserver of India.
Shiva: Destroyer of India.
Kali-Ma: Goddess of death and destruction.
Ganesha: Elephant-headed god of wisdom.
Ratli: Goddess of night and love.
Yama: God of death.
Indra: God of thunder.
Agni: God of fire.
Parvati: Goddess of beauty.
Lakshmi: Goddess of wealth.
Maya: Goddess of illusions.
Kartikeya: God of war.
Persian
Ahura Mazda: God of creation.
Mithras: God of light and justice.
Ahriman: God of evil.
Ametertat: Goddess of vegetation.
Atar: God of fire.
Asha: God of fire.
Armaiti: Goddess of the earth.
Kshathra Vairya: God of metal.
Vohu Manah: God of animals and the wilderness.
Haurvatat: Goddess of water.
Zurvan: God of time.
Native American
Gitche Manitou: Chief of the Native American gods.
Hotamintanio: God of war.
Haokah: God of thunder.
Malsumis: God of evil.
Calumet: God of the Hobowaken.
Nokomis: Goddess of the earth.
Nanabozho: God of mischief who resembles a coyote.
Iktomi: God of tricksters.
Owayodata: God of the hunt.
Tawa: God of the sun.
Tomazooma: God of kinship and storytelling.
Dzeharlons: Goddess of frogs and volcanoes.
Kaiti: God of bears.
Azeban: God of raccoons.
Jiibayaabooz: God of rabbits.
Inuit
Hodiak: King of the Inuit gods.
Narya: Goddess of nature and animals.
Nanuq: God of polar bears.
Negafok: God of cold weather.
Kadlu: Goddess of lightning.
Nelvanna: Goddess of the northern lights.
Turoq: God of change.
Sedna: Goddess of the sea and death.
Tekkeitsertok: God of caribou and the hunt.
Aipalovik Agloolik: God of evil.
Aztec
Quetzalcoatl: Emperor of the Aztec gods.
Tezcatlipoca: God of evil.
Huitzilopochtli: God of war.
Tlaloc: God of storms.
Coatlicue: Goddess of the earth.
Xipe Totec: God of agriculture and sacrifice.
Ozomatli: God of music and dancing.
Xochipilli: Xochiquetzal's brother.
Xochiquetzal: Goddess of flowers.
Michtlantecuhtli: God of the dead.
Xolotl: God of fire.
Tonatiuh: God of the sun.
Huehuecoyotl: God of mischief and fertility.
Mayan
Itzamna: God of the sun.
Hunab Ku: God of the sky.
Ixchel: Goddess of the moon and fertility.
Wayep: God of mischief.
Chaac: God of rain and lightning.
Ah Muzen Cab: God of bees and honey.
Awilix: Sister of Ixchel.
Hun Batz: God of monkeys.
Acat: God of tattoos.
Kukulkan: God of the wind.
Ah Kin Xoc: God of poetry.
Ixcacao: Goddess of chocolate.
Acan: God of wine.
Ek Chuah: God of merchants.
Xbalanque: God of jaguars.
Hunaphu: Xbalanque's twin brother.
Camazotz: God of darkness.
Ah-Puch: God of the dead.
Buluc Chabtan: God of war.
Mam: God of evil.
Inca
Inti: God of the sun.
Chasca: Goddess of the dawn and twilight
Catequil: God of thunder and lightning.
Kon: God of the wind and rain.
Pachamama: Goddess of the earth.
Viracocha: God of the sky.
Supay: God of death.
Mama Cocha: Goddess of the sea.
Mama Quilla: Goddess of the moon.
Urcuchillay: God of animals.
Axomamma: Goddess of potatoes.
Hawaiian
Kane Milohai: God of light.
Ku: God of war.
Lono: God of agriculture and peace.
Kanaloa: God of the sea.
Papa: Goddess of the earth.
Ragni: God of the sky.
Namaka: Goddess of the sea.
Whiro: God of evil and death.
Pele: Goddess of fire and volcanoes.
Poliahu: Goddess of snow.
B'ngudja: God of sharks.
Ukanipo: Friend of B'ngudja.
Kamohoalii: Friend of B'ngudja. God of steam.
Apukohai: Friend of B'ngudja.
Lakakane: Goddess of the hula.
Kuape: The cannibal dog-man.
Maui: The time-shifter, the shape-shifter demi-god.
Aboriginal
Altjira: God of the Dreamtime.
Baiame: Creator god and chieftain of the Aboriginal gods.
Julunggul: Goddess of fertility
Daramulum: God of the sky and weather.
Mamaragan: God of lightning.
Gnowee: Goddess of the sun.
Marmoo: God of evil and Narahdarn's former disguise.
Narahdarn: God of death.
Wambeen: God of darkness.
Filipino
Bathala: Leader and Sultan of the Filipino gods.
Apo Laki: God of war and the sun.
Mayari: Goddess of the moon.
Tala: Goddess of the stars.
Amihan: God of the wind.
Anitun: Goddess of wind, lightning, and rain.
Aswang: God of evil.
Detinos: God of darkness and Aswang's father.
Aman Sinaya: Goddess of the sea.
Apo Angin: God of wind.
Mongolian
Tengri: Emir of the Mongolian gods.
Ulgen: God of light.
Vaat: Goddess of the earth.
Kuara: God of thunder.
Ay: Goddess of the moon.
Koyash: God of the sun.
Erlik: God of death and evil.
Gesar: God of the sun and son of Koyash.
Kyazaghan: God of war.
Umay: Goddess of fertility.
Kayra: Supreme god of the universe.
Kurmez: God of souls.
Murgen: God of wisdom and son of Kayra.
Kubai: Goddess of the born and children.
Ak Ana: Goddess of creation.
Ay-Ata: God of the moon and Ay's brother.
Gun Ana: Goddess of the sun and Koyash's sister.
Yel Ana: Goddess of the wind.
Yel Ata: God of the winds and Yel Ana's brother.
Berkut: Eaglelike god.
Aisyt: Goddess of beauty.
Su Ana: Goddess of water.
Su Ata: God of water and Su Ana's brother.
Od Ana: Goddess of fire.
Od Ata: God of fire and Od Ana's brother.
Yer Tanry: Vaat's daughter.
Etuhen: Vaat's daughter.
Jaiuk: God of rivers.
Alaz: Father of Od Ana and Od Ata.
Baianai: Goddess of the hunt.
Adaghan: Mountain god.
Akbugha: God of medicine.
Shalyk: Hunting god.
Inehsit: Goddess of childbirth.
Uren: Goddess of the harvest.
Qovaq: God of the sky.
Zarlik: Goddess of judgment.
Zada: Wind god.
Ukulan: Water god.
Izih: God of wild animals.
Chokqu: Goddess of good wishes.
Talai: God of the oceans and the sea.
Slavic
Svarog: Tsar of the Russian gods.
Veles: God of the underworld, magic and trickery.
Perun: God of thunder.
Stribog: God of the sky and wind.
Svarozvich: God of fire.
Milda: Goddess of love and freedom.
Saule: Goddess of the sun.
Marzanna: Goddess of witchcraft.
Dazhbog: God of light.
Laima: Goddess of fate and prosperity.
Lada: Goddess of youth and beauty.
Svantovit: God of war and fertility.
Chernobog: God of evil. Lives in Bald Mountain.
African
Buluku: God of the sky.
Avlekete: Goddess of the sea.
Ogun: God of war and iron.
Shango: God of lightning and thunder.
Damballah: God of serpents and the dead.
Anansi: God of wisdom and trickery.
Eschu: God of communication and crossroads.
Oshun: Goddess of love.
Ghekre: God of judgment and gorillas.
Lusa: God of the sun.
Mahu: Goddess of the moon.
Legba: God of gateways.
Baron Samedi: God of death and disease.
Mesopotamian
Annu: God of the sky.
Ba'al: God of storms and fertility.
Eriskegal: Goddess of the dead.
Inanna: Goddess of love and war.
Dagon: God of wind and air.
Martu: God of drought, oaths, and the steppe.
Nergal: God of death and pestilence.
Ningal: God of metal and smelting.
Saja: Messenger god.
Ninhursag: Goddess of the earth.
Tammuz: God of shepherds and fertility.
Marduk: God of judgment.
Tiamat: Goddess of evil.
Apsu: God of evil.
Finnish
Ukko: Chieftain of the Finnish gods.
Äkräs: God of fertility.
Nyyrikki: God of the hunt.
Tapio: God of the forest.
Tuoni: God of the underworld.
Vammatar: Goddess of pain, disease and suffering.
Ilmarinen: God of metal, invention, and the forge.
Ahti: Goddess of the sea and fishing.
Akka: Goddess of the earth.
Ajatar: God of evil.
Lempo: God/goddess of love and wickedness.
Korean
Hwanin: King of the Korean Gods.
Munsin: Gate god.
Nulgupjisin: God of the Nulgub.
Cheuksin: God of the hearth.
Eopsin: Goddess of storage and wealth.
Jowangsin: Goddess of fire.
Magu: A great goddess.
Sosamsin: Goddess of the birth of cows and bulls.
Teojusin: Earth goddess.
Ungnyeo: The bear-woman.
Jumong: Founding monarch of Korea.
Sumyeong-Jangja: God of evil.
Yondung Halmoni: Wind goddess revered by farmers and sailors.
Arabian
Allah: The supreme god.
Allat, Aluzza, and Manat: Daughters of Allah.
Hubal: God of divination.
Wadd: God of the moon.
Suwa': Deity mentioned by Noah.
Yaghuth: God mentioned in the Quran.
Ya'uq: God mentioned in the Quran.
Nasr: God mentioned in the Quran.
Nuha: Goddess of the sun.
Brazilian
Tupa: God of lightning and supreme god.
Sume: God of snakes.
Guaraci: God of the sun.
Jaci: Goddess of the moon.
Ceuci: Goddess of crops.
Akuanduba: God of the flute.
Iara: Goddess of water.
Yeba Belo: Goddess of creation
Jurupari: God of demons.
Anhanga: God of hell.
Yorixiriamori: The singing tree.
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Re: Atheist can never disprove the existence of God

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dattaswami wrote: November 12th, 2022, 2:37 am The atheists can never disprove the existence of unimaginable God due to several unimaginable events (miracles) exhibited by several Godly people and due to several practical experiences of the existence of unimaginable power of God during the lives of several people in this world. The miracles are exhibited not only by Godly people and human incarnations but also by evil people having very bad character and conduct, cheating the public in many ways. The development of atheism is mainly due to the existence of such evil people only. But, the atheists are also not analyzing the miracle performed by an evil person.

The concept of the miracle is completely different and has nothing to do with the character of the person performing that miracle. A petty fellow, who has worst character due to bad habits like drinking etc., is announcing a rule of Municipality in a town to the public. The message of the announcement has nothing to do with the character of the announcer. Since, the announcer is a bad fellow, you cannot ignore the message of the Municipality and behave as you like. The announcer will be separately punished for his bad character. You will be also punished if you ignore his announcement based on the point that the announcer is not a good fellow.

Similarly, you have to take the point conveyed by the miracle and ignore the character of the evil person performing that miracle. God will punish him separately for his evil nature. From the unimaginable event (miracle), you should conclude the existence of unimaginable God. This is the message of any miracle to create the fundamental belief in God. Some people having jealousy on great devotees of God or the human incarnation of God, reject the greatness of devotees or incarnation based on miracles by saying “even dirty people perform these miracles. What is the greatness by such miracles?”. They pass such comments due to two reasons:

1) they are jealous of the greatness of devotees or incarnation and

2) they have not understood the message conveyed by a miracle. If a good fellow is announcing a message and if you say that the same message was also announced by a bad fellow previously and hence the message should be neglected, is it correct? A miracle is necessary for majority of human beings to have real belief in the existence of God. Several people are standing on the ground and require this to climb the first step. After having the full belief in the existence of God, miracles are not necessary because the second step is to attain the grace of God through practical sacrifice. But, several theists also need the observation of miracles, because their belief is not perfect and hence to strengthen their belief, miracles are necessary. Even a person having full faith in the existence of God should not criticize the miracles, because you cannot ignore the first step after climbing the second step.
What in your mind is the practical difference between miracles and magic?
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Re: Atheist can never disprove the existence of God

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Atheist can never disprove the existence of God
Yes, but on the other hand
Theist can never prove the existence of God
mankind ... must act and reason and believe; though they are not able, by their most diligent enquiry, to satisfy themselves concerning the foundation of these operations, or to remove the objections, which may be raised against them [Hume]
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Re: Atheist can never disprove the existence of God

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Sculptor1 wrote: November 12th, 2022, 5:24 pm Christianity can never disprove the existence of....

Zeus: King of the Greek Gods.
Poseidon: God of the sea.
Hades: The misunderstood god of the underworld. He deprived Herc of his immortality.
Hera: Queen of the Greek Gods.
Ares: God of war.
Athena: Goddess of wisdom.
Hephaestus: God of blacksmiths.
Hermes: Messenger god.
Demeter: Goddess of cereal grains.
Dionysus: God of wine.
Aphrodite: Goddess of love
Apollo: God of the sun.
Artemis: Goddess of the moon.
Eros: God of love and Aphrodite's brother.
Pan: God of shepherds.
Harmonia: Goddess of harmony.
Hebe: Goddess of youth.
Nike: Goddess of victory.
Persephone: Goddess of spring and queen of Hades's underworld.
Asclepius: God of medicine.
Hecate: Goddess of witchcraft.
Bia: God of might.
Eris: Goddess of chaos.
Deimos: God of terror.
Phobos: God of fear.
Kratos: God of force.
Alecto, Megaera, and Tisiphone: Goddesses of revenge.
Vesta: Goddess of the hearth.
Thanatos: God of death.
Rhode: Goddess of the sea.
Nyx: Goddess of night.
Enyo: Ares's daughter.
Atropos, Clotho, and Lachesis: Goddesses of fate.
Gaia: Goddess of the earth.
Iris: Goddess of the rainbow.
Eos: Goddess of the dawn.
Hercules: Son of Zeus.
Chronus: God of time, agriculture, and evil.
Terminus: God of borders.
Janus: God of the past, present, and future.
Sylvanus: God of the wilderness.
Norse
Odin: All-Father of the Norse Gods and their king.
Thor: God of thunder.
Loki: God of evil and mischief.
Heimdall: Sentry of Asgard.
Baldr: God of light.
Hodur: God of the blind.
Hermod: Messenger god.
Frey: God of crops and Freyja's brother.
Freya: Goddess of love and beauty and Frey's sister.
Forseti: God of justice.
Bragi: God of poets.
Hel: Goddess of the underworld and Loki's friend.
Sif: Valkyrie and goddess of thunder, Thor's sister-in-law.
Frigga: All-Mother of the Norse Gods and their queen.
Tyr: God of war.
Njord: God of the sea, winds and storms.
Mimir: God of knowledge and wisdom.
Urd, Skuld, and Verandi: Goddesses of destiny.
Volla: Goddess of prophecy.
Vidar: One of Odin's last children.
Ratatoskr: The squirrel of Yggdrasil.
Egyptian
Ra: Pharaoh of the Egyptian Gods.
Khepri: God of scarabs and sunrise.
Osiris: God of rebirth.
Anubis: God of the dead.
Isis: Osiris's wife.
Horus: God of light.
Set: God of evil and darkness.
Bast: Cat goddess.
Bes: Dwarf god.
Sobek: Crocodile god of the Nile.
Nephthys: Set's former wife.
Hathor: Goddess of love.
Sekhmet: Goddess of war.
Thoth: God of wisdom.
Serqet: Goddess of medicine.
Nepri: God of crops.
Hapi: God of water.
Taweret: Guardian of pregnancy.
Khonsu: God of the moon.
Medjed: God popular in foreign nations like Japan.
Kebechet: Protective goddess.
Anhur: God of war.
Pakhet: Goddess of the hunt.
Ha: God of the deserts west of Egypt.
Heh: God of infinity.
Nu: Goddess holding the Solar Boat.
Dua: God of the toilet.
Min: God of fertility.
Shai: God of luck and fortune.
Ptah: God of craftsman.
Chinese
Pan-Ku: Creator God.
Shennong: Predecessor to Yu Huang.
Nu Wa: Snake-tailed goddess.
Yu Huang: God of heaven.
Sun Wukong: Monkey King.
Hou Tou: Goddess of the earth.
Guan Yu: God of war.
Tian Mu: Goddess of lightning and Lei Gong's sister.
Lei Gong: God of thunder and Tian Mu's brother.
Shou Hsing: God of health and longevity.
Xi Wangmu: Goddess of immortality.
Kui Xing: God of exams and paperwork.
Zhu Rong: God of fire.
Nezha: God of mischief.
Yen-Lo Wang: God of death.
Zao Shen: Kitchen God.
Choy Sun Yeh: God of prosperity.
Chang'e: Goddess of the moon.
Eight Immortals: Defend China.
Japanese
Izanagi: God of the sky.
Izanami: Goddess of the earth.
Amaterasu: Goddess of the sun.
Tsukuyomi: God of the moon.
Susanoo: God of the sea and storm.
Bishamon: God of war and fortune.
Hotei: God of joy and laughter.
Ebisu: God of fishers.
Daikokuten: God of wealth, commerce, and trade.
Banzaiten: Goddess of knowledge, art, and beauty.
Fukurokuju: God of happiness.
Jurōjin: God of long life.
Inari: God of rice.
Kaminari: Goddess of lightning and Raijin's sister.
Raijin: God of lightning and thunder and Kaminari's brother.
Fujin: God of the wind.
Kagutsuchi: God of fire.
Ame-No-Mi-Kumari: Goddess of water.
Amatsu-Mikaboshi: God of evil and chaos.
Kuzenbo: The kappa king.
Celtic
The Dagda: God of magic, wisdom, and heaven.
Balor: Evil-eyed god.
Angus: God of youth.
Anpao: God of death.
Cerridwen: Goddess of witchcraft.
Cernunnos: God of the hunt, harvest and fertility.
Gwynn: God of springtime.
Danu: Goddess of the earth.
Leir: God of lightning and the spear.
Fuamnach: Goddess of marriage.
Bodb Derg: God of war.
Lugh: God of heroes and the sun.
Nuada: God of warriors.
Morrigan: Goddess of war and death.
Arawn: God of the dead and the underworld.
Badb: Goddess of war.
Brigit: Goddess of wisdom.
Boann: Goddess of rivers.
Taranis: God of the elements.
Artio: Goddess of bears.
Epona: Goddess of horses.
Cairbre: God of speed and bards.
Carman: Goddess of foreigners and dark magic.
Dub: God of blackness.
Dother: God of evil.
Dian: God of violence.
Hindu
Brahman: Creator of India.
Vishnu: Preserver of India.
Shiva: Destroyer of India.
Kali-Ma: Goddess of death and destruction.
Ganesha: Elephant-headed god of wisdom.
Ratli: Goddess of night and love.
Yama: God of death.
Indra: God of thunder.
Agni: God of fire.
Parvati: Goddess of beauty.
Lakshmi: Goddess of wealth.
Maya: Goddess of illusions.
Kartikeya: God of war.
Persian
Ahura Mazda: God of creation.
Mithras: God of light and justice.
Ahriman: God of evil.
Ametertat: Goddess of vegetation.
Atar: God of fire.
Asha: God of fire.
Armaiti: Goddess of the earth.
Kshathra Vairya: God of metal.
Vohu Manah: God of animals and the wilderness.
Haurvatat: Goddess of water.
Zurvan: God of time.
Native American
Gitche Manitou: Chief of the Native American gods.
Hotamintanio: God of war.
Haokah: God of thunder.
Malsumis: God of evil.
Calumet: God of the Hobowaken.
Nokomis: Goddess of the earth.
Nanabozho: God of mischief who resembles a coyote.
Iktomi: God of tricksters.
Owayodata: God of the hunt.
Tawa: God of the sun.
Tomazooma: God of kinship and storytelling.
Dzeharlons: Goddess of frogs and volcanoes.
Kaiti: God of bears.
Azeban: God of raccoons.
Jiibayaabooz: God of rabbits.
Inuit
Hodiak: King of the Inuit gods.
Narya: Goddess of nature and animals.
Nanuq: God of polar bears.
Negafok: God of cold weather.
Kadlu: Goddess of lightning.
Nelvanna: Goddess of the northern lights.
Turoq: God of change.
Sedna: Goddess of the sea and death.
Tekkeitsertok: God of caribou and the hunt.
Aipalovik Agloolik: God of evil.
Aztec
Quetzalcoatl: Emperor of the Aztec gods.
Tezcatlipoca: God of evil.
Huitzilopochtli: God of war.
Tlaloc: God of storms.
Coatlicue: Goddess of the earth.
Xipe Totec: God of agriculture and sacrifice.
Ozomatli: God of music and dancing.
Xochipilli: Xochiquetzal's brother.
Xochiquetzal: Goddess of flowers.
Michtlantecuhtli: God of the dead.
Xolotl: God of fire.
Tonatiuh: God of the sun.
Huehuecoyotl: God of mischief and fertility.
Mayan
Itzamna: God of the sun.
Hunab Ku: God of the sky.
Ixchel: Goddess of the moon and fertility.
Wayep: God of mischief.
Chaac: God of rain and lightning.
Ah Muzen Cab: God of bees and honey.
Awilix: Sister of Ixchel.
Hun Batz: God of monkeys.
Acat: God of tattoos.
Kukulkan: God of the wind.
Ah Kin Xoc: God of poetry.
Ixcacao: Goddess of chocolate.
Acan: God of wine.
Ek Chuah: God of merchants.
Xbalanque: God of jaguars.
Hunaphu: Xbalanque's twin brother.
Camazotz: God of darkness.
Ah-Puch: God of the dead.
Buluc Chabtan: God of war.
Mam: God of evil.
Inca
Inti: God of the sun.
Chasca: Goddess of the dawn and twilight
Catequil: God of thunder and lightning.
Kon: God of the wind and rain.
Pachamama: Goddess of the earth.
Viracocha: God of the sky.
Supay: God of death.
Mama Cocha: Goddess of the sea.
Mama Quilla: Goddess of the moon.
Urcuchillay: God of animals.
Axomamma: Goddess of potatoes.
Hawaiian
Kane Milohai: God of light.
Ku: God of war.
Lono: God of agriculture and peace.
Kanaloa: God of the sea.
Papa: Goddess of the earth.
Ragni: God of the sky.
Namaka: Goddess of the sea.
Whiro: God of evil and death.
Pele: Goddess of fire and volcanoes.
Poliahu: Goddess of snow.
B'ngudja: God of sharks.
Ukanipo: Friend of B'ngudja.
Kamohoalii: Friend of B'ngudja. God of steam.
Apukohai: Friend of B'ngudja.
Lakakane: Goddess of the hula.
Kuape: The cannibal dog-man.
Maui: The time-shifter, the shape-shifter demi-god.
Aboriginal
Altjira: God of the Dreamtime.
Baiame: Creator god and chieftain of the Aboriginal gods.
Julunggul: Goddess of fertility
Daramulum: God of the sky and weather.
Mamaragan: God of lightning.
Gnowee: Goddess of the sun.
Marmoo: God of evil and Narahdarn's former disguise.
Narahdarn: God of death.
Wambeen: God of darkness.
Filipino
Bathala: Leader and Sultan of the Filipino gods.
Apo Laki: God of war and the sun.
Mayari: Goddess of the moon.
Tala: Goddess of the stars.
Amihan: God of the wind.
Anitun: Goddess of wind, lightning, and rain.
Aswang: God of evil.
Detinos: God of darkness and Aswang's father.
Aman Sinaya: Goddess of the sea.
Apo Angin: God of wind.
Mongolian
Tengri: Emir of the Mongolian gods.
Ulgen: God of light.
Vaat: Goddess of the earth.
Kuara: God of thunder.
Ay: Goddess of the moon.
Koyash: God of the sun.
Erlik: God of death and evil.
Gesar: God of the sun and son of Koyash.
Kyazaghan: God of war.
Umay: Goddess of fertility.
Kayra: Supreme god of the universe.
Kurmez: God of souls.
Murgen: God of wisdom and son of Kayra.
Kubai: Goddess of the born and children.
Ak Ana: Goddess of creation.
Ay-Ata: God of the moon and Ay's brother.
Gun Ana: Goddess of the sun and Koyash's sister.
Yel Ana: Goddess of the wind.
Yel Ata: God of the winds and Yel Ana's brother.
Berkut: Eaglelike god.
Aisyt: Goddess of beauty.
Su Ana: Goddess of water.
Su Ata: God of water and Su Ana's brother.
Od Ana: Goddess of fire.
Od Ata: God of fire and Od Ana's brother.
Yer Tanry: Vaat's daughter.
Etuhen: Vaat's daughter.
Jaiuk: God of rivers.
Alaz: Father of Od Ana and Od Ata.
Baianai: Goddess of the hunt.
Adaghan: Mountain god.
Akbugha: God of medicine.
Shalyk: Hunting god.
Inehsit: Goddess of childbirth.
Uren: Goddess of the harvest.
Qovaq: God of the sky.
Zarlik: Goddess of judgment.
Zada: Wind god.
Ukulan: Water god.
Izih: God of wild animals.
Chokqu: Goddess of good wishes.
Talai: God of the oceans and the sea.
Slavic
Svarog: Tsar of the Russian gods.
Veles: God of the underworld, magic and trickery.
Perun: God of thunder.
Stribog: God of the sky and wind.
Svarozvich: God of fire.
Milda: Goddess of love and freedom.
Saule: Goddess of the sun.
Marzanna: Goddess of witchcraft.
Dazhbog: God of light.
Laima: Goddess of fate and prosperity.
Lada: Goddess of youth and beauty.
Svantovit: God of war and fertility.
Chernobog: God of evil. Lives in Bald Mountain.
African
Buluku: God of the sky.
Avlekete: Goddess of the sea.
Ogun: God of war and iron.
Shango: God of lightning and thunder.
Damballah: God of serpents and the dead.
Anansi: God of wisdom and trickery.
Eschu: God of communication and crossroads.
Oshun: Goddess of love.
Ghekre: God of judgment and gorillas.
Lusa: God of the sun.
Mahu: Goddess of the moon.
Legba: God of gateways.
Baron Samedi: God of death and disease.
Mesopotamian
Annu: God of the sky.
Ba'al: God of storms and fertility.
Eriskegal: Goddess of the dead.
Inanna: Goddess of love and war.
Dagon: God of wind and air.
Martu: God of drought, oaths, and the steppe.
Nergal: God of death and pestilence.
Ningal: God of metal and smelting.
Saja: Messenger god.
Ninhursag: Goddess of the earth.
Tammuz: God of shepherds and fertility.
Marduk: God of judgment.
Tiamat: Goddess of evil.
Apsu: God of evil.
Finnish
Ukko: Chieftain of the Finnish gods.
Äkräs: God of fertility.
Nyyrikki: God of the hunt.
Tapio: God of the forest.
Tuoni: God of the underworld.
Vammatar: Goddess of pain, disease and suffering.
Ilmarinen: God of metal, invention, and the forge.
Ahti: Goddess of the sea and fishing.
Akka: Goddess of the earth.
Ajatar: God of evil.
Lempo: God/goddess of love and wickedness.
Korean
Hwanin: King of the Korean Gods.
Munsin: Gate god.
Nulgupjisin: God of the Nulgub.
Cheuksin: God of the hearth.
Eopsin: Goddess of storage and wealth.
Jowangsin: Goddess of fire.
Magu: A great goddess.
Sosamsin: Goddess of the birth of cows and bulls.
Teojusin: Earth goddess.
Ungnyeo: The bear-woman.
Jumong: Founding monarch of Korea.
Sumyeong-Jangja: God of evil.
Yondung Halmoni: Wind goddess revered by farmers and sailors.
Arabian
Allah: The supreme god.
Allat, Aluzza, and Manat: Daughters of Allah.
Hubal: God of divination.
Wadd: God of the moon.
Suwa': Deity mentioned by Noah.
Yaghuth: God mentioned in the Quran.
Ya'uq: God mentioned in the Quran.
Nasr: God mentioned in the Quran.
Nuha: Goddess of the sun.
Brazilian
Tupa: God of lightning and supreme god.
Sume: God of snakes.
Guaraci: God of the sun.
Jaci: Goddess of the moon.
Ceuci: Goddess of crops.
Akuanduba: God of the flute.
Iara: Goddess of water.
Yeba Belo: Goddess of creation
Jurupari: God of demons.
Anhanga: God of hell.
Yorixiriamori: The singing tree.
The same God only expressed in many forms that is all. The internal God is one and the same only. In Hinduism also there is a reference of 33 Crores of deities!! It is like a person who wears different dress. Some time He appear in red shirt, another time in blue shirt etc thus the same internal God only but in different forms that is all.

Why did God express Himself in different forms in a single Hindu religion in India? In the universe, God expressed Himself in a single form in every religion. In Christianity, there is only one expressed form i.e. Jesus. In Islam, there is only one expressed form i.e. Allah or Mohammad. But in Hindu religion, there are different expressed forms of God like Vishnu, Shiva etc. Diversity in the forms of God is only the first point in Hindu religion. The next point is the unity in all these forms that also exists in Hindu religion.

People are criticizing the Hindu religion showing only the first point. Why don’t they see the second point? The concept is not complete by the first point. Now, the question comes, “Why should there be diversity at all and make the unnecessary effort to bring the unity? Why Hinduism is not having a single form of God as in Christianity or Islam?” All right [Agreed].

Let us assume that there is a single form in Hindu religion and let us assume that Vishnu is that single form. Then, does this solve the problem when you take the entire world? Now, there are three forms of God i.e. Jesus, Allah or Mohammad and Vishnu. Now, if you take the world as your system for studying, is there a single form of God for the entire world? Even if we solve the problem at micro level i.e. Hinduism, but the same problem is appearing at the macro level i.e. the world.

The solution at macro level is very important than at the micro level because in India, wars never took place between the followers of Vishnu and the followers of Shiva. But in the world, wars have taken place and are still taking place between the followers of Islam, Christianity, Hinduism etc. The problem at the micro level never disturbed the peace. But, the problem at macro level always disturbed the peace of the world.

To use a medicine on human beings at macro level, it is first tested in the laboratory on a micro system like a rabbit. When the medicine is proved in the case of the rabbit, it is administered to all the human beings. Similarly, the concept developed in the unity of various forms of God in Hinduism should be taken totally by all religions in the world. As the medicine cured the disease of the rabbit, it cures the same disease in all the human beings. Similarly, the knowledge of unity of various sub-religions in the Hindu religion should be applied as it is to the case of all the universal religions. This knowledge is the medicine.

The fanatic is the disease. This knowledge not only cures various fanatics in the Hindu religion, but also cures the various fanatics of religions in the world. Infact, there is only one God in Hinduism i.e. Lord Datta who appears in various forms like Vishnu, Shiva etc. Actually, God Datta purposely created the diversity in the forms of God in Hinduism to teach the unity in diversity in all the religions in the world. This is just like a mini model prepared to represent the entire world.

The same design in the mini model appears as a huge building when constructed. Similarly, the concept in Hinduism is the message for the entire universe. Lord Datta is the teacher for the world. A teacher praises his student in one subject and praises another student in another subject. He will ask them to help each other. Similarly, India should learn the sacrifice from abroad and the rest of the world should learn about unity in diversity from India.

One has to take the good aspect from every religion. I do not belong to any religion but belong equally to all the religions. I do not support or condemn any religion blindly. I pick up the pearls from all the oceans. I criticize Hinduism for several points like not doing the sacrifice of money or work for God, caste system etc. As per the point of unity in diversity is concerned, I praise Indians.

I criticize the rest of the world. So, irrespective of the name of the religion, one has to pick up the good points from every religion. Are you rejecting the diamond from a foreign country? Diamond is a diamond anywhere in the world. You cannot differentiate an Indian diamond and a foreign diamond. The logic in the unity of Hinduism is based on the same God appearing in various forms and qualities to satisfy the tastes of different people when He comes in human form.

The nature of Vishnu is ‘Sattvam’ i.e. soft nature. So, soft people are attracted to Vishnu. The nature of Shiva is ‘Tamas’ i.e. emotional nature. People of such nature like Shiva. When there is synchrony in nature of the devotee and the human form of God, the attraction and adaptability is more. Then the message of God to that human form reaches the devotee easily. The message is same but the forms of God are different.

The same milk is given in different types of cups. Somebody likes a ceramic cup and somebody likes a glass cup. The form of God is as per your liking, but the divine message preached by all forms of God is the same. It is just like the same syllabus present in different language mediums. The unity in diversity in Hinduism is actually practiced by almost all the people. In every house, people celebrate the festival of Vishnu and the festival of Shiva. In every house, the photos of almost all the forms of Hindu God are worshipped in India.
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dattaswami wrote: November 13th, 2022, 11:57 pm
Sculptor1 wrote: November 12th, 2022, 5:24 pm Christianity can never disprove the existence of....

Zeus: King of the Greek Gods....
Yorixiriamori: The singing tree.
The same God only expressed in many forms that is all. ...
Yes and that is why theists have been killing each other for centuries.
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"The same God only expressed in many forms that is all"

This statement is a cop-out. The initial argument for a God has imploded. "A" God, referring to the article "a" being: singular. One singular God. Now it turns into multiple when any sort of outward pressure pushes on the God existing statement. Let the exceptions begin for convenience.
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dattaswami wrote: November 13th, 2022, 11:57 pm
Sculptor1 wrote: November 12th, 2022, 5:24 pm Christianity can never disprove the existence of....

Zeus: King of the Greek Gods.
Poseidon: God of the sea.
etc
Yorixiriamori: The singing tree.
The same God only expressed in many forms that is all. The internal God is one and the same only. In Hinduism also there is a reference of 33 Crores of deities!! It is like a person who wears different dress. Some time He appear in red shirt, another time in blue shirt etc thus the same internal God only but in different forms that is all.

Why did God express Himself in different forms in a single Hindu religion in India? In the universe, God expressed Himself in a single form in every religion. In Christianity, there is only one expressed form i.e. Jesus. In Islam, there is only one expressed form i.e. Allah or Mohammad. But in Hindu religion, there are different expressed forms of God like Vishnu, Shiva etc. Diversity in the forms of God is only the first point in Hindu religion. The next point is the unity in all these forms that also exists in Hindu religion.

People are criticizing the Hindu religion showing only the first point. Why don’t they see the second point? The concept is not complete by the first point. Now, the question comes, “Why should there be diversity at all and make the unnecessary effort to bring the unity? Why Hinduism is not having a single form of God as in Christianity or Islam?” All right [Agreed].

Let us assume that there is a single form in Hindu religion and let us assume that Vishnu is that single form. Then, does this solve the problem when you take the entire world? Now, there are three forms of God i.e. Jesus, Allah or Mohammad and Vishnu. Now, if you take the world as your system for studying, is there a single form of God for the entire world? Even if we solve the problem at micro level i.e. Hinduism, but the same problem is appearing at the macro level i.e. the world.

The solution at macro level is very important than at the micro level because in India, wars never took place between the followers of Vishnu and the followers of Shiva. But in the world, wars have taken place and are still taking place between the followers of Islam, Christianity, Hinduism etc. The problem at the micro level never disturbed the peace. But, the problem at macro level always disturbed the peace of the world.

To use a medicine on human beings at macro level, it is first tested in the laboratory on a micro system like a rabbit. When the medicine is proved in the case of the rabbit, it is administered to all the human beings. Similarly, the concept developed in the unity of various forms of God in Hinduism should be taken totally by all religions in the world. As the medicine cured the disease of the rabbit, it cures the same disease in all the human beings. Similarly, the knowledge of unity of various sub-religions in the Hindu religion should be applied as it is to the case of all the universal religions. This knowledge is the medicine.

The fanatic is the disease. This knowledge not only cures various fanatics in the Hindu religion, but also cures the various fanatics of religions in the world. Infact, there is only one God in Hinduism i.e. Lord Datta who appears in various forms like Vishnu, Shiva etc. Actually, God Datta purposely created the diversity in the forms of God in Hinduism to teach the unity in diversity in all the religions in the world. This is just like a mini model prepared to represent the entire world.

The same design in the mini model appears as a huge building when constructed. Similarly, the concept in Hinduism is the message for the entire universe. Lord Datta is the teacher for the world. A teacher praises his student in one subject and praises another student in another subject. He will ask them to help each other. Similarly, India should learn the sacrifice from abroad and the rest of the world should learn about unity in diversity from India.

One has to take the good aspect from every religion. I do not belong to any religion but belong equally to all the religions. I do not support or condemn any religion blindly. I pick up the pearls from all the oceans. I criticize Hinduism for several points like not doing the sacrifice of money or work for God, caste system etc. As per the point of unity in diversity is concerned, I praise Indians.

I criticize the rest of the world. So, irrespective of the name of the religion, one has to pick up the good points from every religion. Are you rejecting the diamond from a foreign country? Diamond is a diamond anywhere in the world. You cannot differentiate an Indian diamond and a foreign diamond. The logic in the unity of Hinduism is based on the same God appearing in various forms and qualities to satisfy the tastes of different people when He comes in human form.

The nature of Vishnu is ‘Sattvam’ i.e. soft nature. So, soft people are attracted to Vishnu. The nature of Shiva is ‘Tamas’ i.e. emotional nature. People of such nature like Shiva. When there is synchrony in nature of the devotee and the human form of God, the attraction and adaptability is more. Then the message of God to that human form reaches the devotee easily. The message is same but the forms of God are different.

The same milk is given in different types of cups. Somebody likes a ceramic cup and somebody likes a glass cup. The form of God is as per your liking, but the divine message preached by all forms of God is the same. It is just like the same syllabus present in different language mediums. The unity in diversity in Hinduism is actually practiced by almost all the people. In every house, people celebrate the festival of Vishnu and the festival of Shiva. In every house, the photos of almost all the forms of Hindu God are worshipped in India.
A made-up "work around" almost no one has practiced throughout human history.

But more importantly the entire premise of the thread's title is the wrong issue. Atheists have no need to "disprove" an unprovable concept, merely to not believe the fantastical. Of course the religious are free to believe this unprovable concept.
"As usual... it depends."
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by Howard Wolk
July 2024

Quest: Finding Freddie: Reflections from the Other Side

Quest: Finding Freddie: Reflections from the Other Side
by Thomas Richard Spradlin
June 2024

Neither Safe Nor Effective

Neither Safe Nor Effective
by Dr. Colleen Huber
May 2024

Now or Never

Now or Never
by Mary Wasche
April 2024

Meditations

Meditations
by Marcus Aurelius
March 2024

Beyond the Golden Door: Seeing the American Dream Through an Immigrant's Eyes

Beyond the Golden Door: Seeing the American Dream Through an Immigrant's Eyes
by Ali Master
February 2024

The In-Between: Life in the Micro

The In-Between: Life in the Micro
by Christian Espinosa
January 2024

2023 Philosophy Books of the Month

Entanglement - Quantum and Otherwise

Entanglement - Quantum and Otherwise
by John K Danenbarger
January 2023

Mark Victor Hansen, Relentless: Wisdom Behind the Incomparable Chicken Soup for the Soul

Mark Victor Hansen, Relentless: Wisdom Behind the Incomparable Chicken Soup for the Soul
by Mitzi Perdue
February 2023

Rediscovering the Wisdom of Human Nature: How Civilization Destroys Happiness

Rediscovering the Wisdom of Human Nature: How Civilization Destroys Happiness
by Chet Shupe
March 2023

The Unfakeable Code®

The Unfakeable Code®
by Tony Jeton Selimi
April 2023

The Book: On the Taboo Against Knowing Who You Are

The Book: On the Taboo Against Knowing Who You Are
by Alan Watts
May 2023

Killing Abel

Killing Abel
by Michael Tieman
June 2023

Reconfigurement: Reconfiguring Your Life at Any Stage and Planning Ahead

Reconfigurement: Reconfiguring Your Life at Any Stage and Planning Ahead
by E. Alan Fleischauer
July 2023

First Survivor: The Impossible Childhood Cancer Breakthrough

First Survivor: The Impossible Childhood Cancer Breakthrough
by Mark Unger
August 2023

Predictably Irrational

Predictably Irrational
by Dan Ariely
September 2023

Artwords

Artwords
by Beatriz M. Robles
November 2023

Fireproof Happiness: Extinguishing Anxiety & Igniting Hope

Fireproof Happiness: Extinguishing Anxiety & Igniting Hope
by Dr. Randy Ross
December 2023

2022 Philosophy Books of the Month

Emotional Intelligence At Work

Emotional Intelligence At Work
by Richard M Contino & Penelope J Holt
January 2022

Free Will, Do You Have It?

Free Will, Do You Have It?
by Albertus Kral
February 2022

My Enemy in Vietnam

My Enemy in Vietnam
by Billy Springer
March 2022

2X2 on the Ark

2X2 on the Ark
by Mary J Giuffra, PhD
April 2022

The Maestro Monologue

The Maestro Monologue
by Rob White
May 2022

What Makes America Great

What Makes America Great
by Bob Dowell
June 2022

The Truth Is Beyond Belief!

The Truth Is Beyond Belief!
by Jerry Durr
July 2022

Living in Color

Living in Color
by Mike Murphy
August 2022 (tentative)

The Not So Great American Novel

The Not So Great American Novel
by James E Doucette
September 2022

Mary Jane Whiteley Coggeshall, Hicksite Quaker, Iowa/National Suffragette And Her Speeches

Mary Jane Whiteley Coggeshall, Hicksite Quaker, Iowa/National Suffragette And Her Speeches
by John N. (Jake) Ferris
October 2022

In It Together: The Beautiful Struggle Uniting Us All

In It Together: The Beautiful Struggle Uniting Us All
by Eckhart Aurelius Hughes
November 2022

The Smartest Person in the Room: The Root Cause and New Solution for Cybersecurity

The Smartest Person in the Room
by Christian Espinosa
December 2022

2021 Philosophy Books of the Month

The Biblical Clock: The Untold Secrets Linking the Universe and Humanity with God's Plan

The Biblical Clock
by Daniel Friedmann
March 2021

Wilderness Cry: A Scientific and Philosophical Approach to Understanding God and the Universe

Wilderness Cry
by Dr. Hilary L Hunt M.D.
April 2021

Fear Not, Dream Big, & Execute: Tools To Spark Your Dream And Ignite Your Follow-Through

Fear Not, Dream Big, & Execute
by Jeff Meyer
May 2021

Surviving the Business of Healthcare: Knowledge is Power

Surviving the Business of Healthcare
by Barbara Galutia Regis M.S. PA-C
June 2021

Winning the War on Cancer: The Epic Journey Towards a Natural Cure

Winning the War on Cancer
by Sylvie Beljanski
July 2021

Defining Moments of a Free Man from a Black Stream

Defining Moments of a Free Man from a Black Stream
by Dr Frank L Douglas
August 2021

If Life Stinks, Get Your Head Outta Your Buts

If Life Stinks, Get Your Head Outta Your Buts
by Mark L. Wdowiak
September 2021

The Preppers Medical Handbook

The Preppers Medical Handbook
by Dr. William W Forgey M.D.
October 2021

Natural Relief for Anxiety and Stress: A Practical Guide

Natural Relief for Anxiety and Stress
by Dr. Gustavo Kinrys, MD
November 2021

Dream For Peace: An Ambassador Memoir

Dream For Peace
by Dr. Ghoulem Berrah
December 2021