Why doesn't god prove himself?

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Re: Why doesn't god prove himself?

Post by Thinking critical » May 1st, 2018, 4:13 am

Erribert wrote:
May 1st, 2018, 2:17 am
As a scientist, I am wondering what such a proof would consist of.

In science a theory is accepted until proven wrong. No theory can be ultimately proven since there will always be time to prove it wrong. So, science`works by trying to disprove theories. That is the scientific method. A hypothesis (or theory) followed by an experiment, followed by data interpretation to see if the hypothesis needs to be modified or even discarded.
And a theory which is not falsifiable is called pseudoscience, this being the domain of any science which makes claims for the existence of gods.
So,can god prove himself mathematically? Many modern scientists claim that God must be a mathematician. Just take a look at supersymmetry and one sees the beautiful hand of God. At least so I am told by fellow scientists. God is also a magician. Just take a look at quantum entanglement. God is a creator if one believes in the Big Bang or evolution.
Magic? Magic is the illusion created from lack of knowledge or understanding when observing an event, so if this refers to the origin of life and the Universe, yeah sure why not. However if by magic you are referring to acts in the realm of miracles in which the laws of physics are momentarily suspended, then this would be a philosophy if ignorance. Intellectual honesty would lead us to say "we just don't know".
Now, I know what you are thinking. That’s not God! It is... It is... It is just the way thing are! Or, it is a mechanical nature. Really, mechanical? Well, that would make us divine by having escaped the mechanical. How did we do that exactly? Is there some kind of transition process that we bought somewhere? :-)
Now you are simply critiquing your own strawman, how is it exactly that you believe we think the Universe and life came into existence?
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Re: Why doesn't god prove himself?

Post by Big Boss » May 1st, 2018, 6:13 am

As an atheist, the obvious answer is because he doesn't exist. That is neither funny nor original so I will try to provide a rational answer.

It seems odd to ask this question of a supreme being who we wouldn't know the nature of. They could just not find revealing themselves to be fun. They could be a voyeur and enjoy watching. The universe could, as many theorise, filled with many intelligent beings. Maybe God would rather reveal him/herself to some other 'higher' or maybe 'lower' intelligent civilisation of a different planet.

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Re: Why doesn't god prove himself?

Post by Darshan » June 11th, 2018, 11:00 pm

Earthellism explains God proves his existence every day. There is no hell below us but hell is the surface of earth and heaven above us. God exists in heaven and does not exist in hell. God proves his existence by radiating his love down to us every second. Every baby born is a child of God whose smile is from God. Recently it was discovered that Mozart's music and other perfect compositions are dictated by God and the God sends his music through these artists. God is the creator and sustains love which is radiated from heaven to earthell here. Human devils are here on earthell who commit school shootings and mass murder every day. Only earthellism solves the problem of evil. Finally God and heaven is above us and protects us from asteroids that should have wiped us out hundreds of thousands of years ago.

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Re: Why doesn't god prove himself?

Post by LuckyR » June 12th, 2018, 3:20 am

Darshan wrote:
June 11th, 2018, 11:00 pm
Earthellism explains God proves his existence every day. There is no hell below us but hell is the surface of earth and heaven above us. God exists in heaven and does not exist in hell. God proves his existence by radiating his love down to us every second. Every baby born is a child of God whose smile is from God. Recently it was discovered that Mozart's music and other perfect compositions are dictated by God and the God sends his music through these artists. God is the creator and sustains love which is radiated from heaven to earthell here. Human devils are here on earthell who commit school shootings and mass murder every day. Only earthellism solves the problem of evil. Finally God and heaven is above us and protects us from asteroids that should have wiped us out hundreds of thousands of years ago.
Wow, who made that discovery?
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Re: Why doesn't god prove himself?

Post by Darshan » June 12th, 2018, 8:04 pm

First said in the movie Amadeus 34 years ago but clear to musicians and songwriters everywhere. Certain music compositions are truly perfect and humans are imperfect. We say certain musicians are gifted like Mozart but that really means that God gifts them with special abilities to hear songs and melodies in their head which they write on paper. As said in Amadeus 34 years ago, some songs/compositions appears dictated by God. Any lover and student of classical music and opera knows certain compositions are timeless and can be heard over and over for forever with the same goosebumps on each hearing.

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Re: Why doesn't god prove himself?

Post by Greta » June 12th, 2018, 11:44 pm

Lucky, he was referring to personal discovery but misleadingly used the language of objective discovery.

Mozart's music is not perfect - that is movie talk, of course. Otherwise, why listen to anything else if the music only captures in part what Mozart captured in entirety? In truth, it is just superbly composed and arranged music, as is the music of numerous others.

Many claimed the same of Bach. Some would say that Steely Dan, Jethro Tull, Joni Mitchell or Pink Floyd played perfect music - excellent both musically and lyrically. Others would say that John Coltrane was inspired by God, or Charlie Parker has captured something of God.

It's an easy claim.

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Re: Why doesn't god prove himself?

Post by LuckyR » June 13th, 2018, 2:59 am

Hhmmm... If I was going to ascribe something to a vastly superior being (compared to humans) I would choose something that humans cannot create. Music doesn't fit that description.
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