World Peace & Removal of Terrorism

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World Peace & Removal of Terrorism

There are two root causes for the entire chaos and terrorism in this world. One is the thirst for earning money and the other is the religious fanatic. Due to money, people are quarreling, hereas due to religion, countries are quarreling. Unless these two root causes are eradicated we cannot achieve world peace. The tree will not die by cutting leaves and branches. It dies only by cutting its roots. There is no use in earning the extra money. Due to excess money, quarrels, mental worries and several other problems arise. Finally, it ends in loss only and not in any profit. You have to leave all this extra money here only and quit this world alone. Your issues may lose that money given by you. Such sinful extra money brings problems not only to you but also to your children. Neither yourself nor your children will be happy and peaceful. This entire world is the property of God and take whatever is required from it. This is said in Gita, (“Yavanartha….”).

In these days, buffet system is followed during feasts. In this system, large vessels contain various food items and people take food from these vessels according to their requirement. Similarly, God created this entire world and you can take the wealth from it according to your requirement. People are not following the same system when they are taking wealth from this world. The peculiarity is that most rich people follow this buffet system in the feasts but do not follow the same when it comes to earning the money. ‘Esavasya Upanishad’ says that one should return back this extra money to the Lord. Otherwise, the Lord will give the troubles.

In buffet system, if one takes extra food in his plate by over ambition and ignorance for a moment, he returns back immediately before starting eating. Veda says that you must return back the extra money for the God’s work if taken by ignorance. In the buffet system if you eat the extra food, you will suffer from diseases. Similarly, if you enjoy the extra money, God will punish you in several ways.

In this world, people belonging to any religion think that their religion only is the true religion. They think that the God of their religion can alone give the salvation and the worship of that God should be according to their religion only. They also condemn other religions and invite people to convert people into their religion. They do lot of work to establish their religion only in the entire world which shows their ambition. It is just like Alexander’s ambition to make the entire world his kingdom. Alexander wanted to extend his kingdom. But, even he returned back after fighting with Porus (Purushotama) on seeing the loss of life in the battle. But, the ambition of religious fanatics is not subsided on seeing any amount of loss of life. Religion is considered to be backed with spiritual knowledge and the religious people are expected to be free from ambition. We can excuse ambition of any ignorant person like Alexander.

The heart of a religious fanatic will not change by any amount of kindness or love expressed in the appeals. Such appeals can change only the heart and the change in the heart is always temporary. Change in the intelligence brought by knowledge based on logic is always real and permanent. Intelligence (Buddhi) is considered to be the driver of this body, which is like a chariot running by the senses, which are like the horses. If the driver is convinced, the entire chariot along with the horses is in the correct path. The terrorist will not change by love or kindness shown to him. He becomes the terrorist due to the wrong knowledge that enters his brain. He was convinced by that knowledge. That knowledge can be changed only by the right knowledge. A diamond can only be cut by another diamond. Similarly, one type of knowledge can only be replaced by another type of knowledge. Then only, he will be convinced and changed forever.

So far, the trials made to change the terrorist were beating around the bush and therefore, they did not have much effect. Today, SRI GURU DATTA is giving the right knowledge to remove the religious conservatism.
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dattaswami wrote:There are two root causes for the entire chaos and terrorism in this world. One is the thirst for earning money and the other is the religious fanatic. Due to money, people are quarreling, hereas due to religion, countries are quarreling. Unless these two root causes are eradicated--
How would you "eradicate" the "thirst for earning money"?
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dattaswami wrote:World Peace & Removal of Terrorism

There are two root causes for the entire chaos and terrorism in this world. One is the thirst for earning money and the other is the religious fanatic.
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1 Timothy 6: 10 For the love of money [out of Hate for poverty, or vice versa] is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

King Asoka, of India, made the following observations.
"Whoever praises his own religion, due to excessive devotion, and condemns others with the thought "Let me glorify my own religion," only harms his religion. Therefore contact between religions is good. One should listen to and respect the doctrines professed by others. Beloved-of-the Gods, King Piyadasi (Asoka), desires that all should be well-learned in the good doctrines of other religions."

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dattaswami wrote:World Peace & Removal of Terrorism

There are two root causes for the entire chaos and terrorism in this world. One is the thirst for earning money and the other is the religious fanatic.
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1 Timothy 6: 10 For the love of money [out of Hate for poverty, or vice versa] is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

King Asoka, of India, made the following observations.
"Whoever praises his own religion, due to excessive devotion, and condemns others with the thought "Let me glorify my own religion," only harms his religion. Therefore contact between religions is good. One should listen to and respect the doctrines professed by others. Beloved-of-the Gods, King Piyadasi (Asoka), desires that all should be well-learned in the good doctrines of other religions."

Thanx.

The Lord is universal but the human beings in the universe differ in their attitudes. The same single Lord adopts a different procedure in a different region and such different procedure appears as a different religion. A few criticize the Lord of other religion. You are criticizing your own Lord of your own religion. The external behavior of the Lord differs due to different internal and external behaviors of the human beings in this universe.

The external form, dress, language, food habits and culture of human beings differ from one region to the other. Accordingly the external form, dress, food habits, language and culture of the Lord also differ to suit that particular region. The internal Lord and the internal essence of the same Lord is one and the same in His different human incarnations which have come in different regions or religions.
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The internal Lord and the internal essence of the same Lord is one and the same in His different human incarnations which have come in different regions or religions.
Any evidence for this? Any rational arguments? Or is this your faith?

Is it really good that world religions should be so emasculated that they are all the same as to godhead?
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Belinda wrote:
The internal Lord and the internal essence of the same Lord is one and the same in His different human incarnations which have come in different regions or religions.
Any evidence for this? Any rational arguments? Or is this your faith?

Is it really good that world religions should be so emasculated that they are all the same as to godhead?
There is only one GOd. He comes to this world in human form at various times at various palces , in human form with different outlook. THe internal GOd is the same in all of them and the essence of their preaching is one and the same.

The same Lord came to different parts of the world in different age to preach the same Divine Knowledge. All the scriptures of the world are the records of the knowledge given by the same Lord and hence cannot contradict each other. Yet we find sometimes that there are some glaring contradictions between different scriptures of the world. This is in part due to fact that the Lord taught the same truth in different ages and places in a slightly different way, so as to suit the culture and language of the people. This is only an extraneous difference. The essential knowledge is the same. Correct interpretation will remove the contradiction.
Sometimes there may be an apparent difference even in the essential meaning.

In such as case the inconsistency is probably caused by corruption of the scripture over generations. Comparison with other scriptures of the world will help in removing the corrupted portions in each scripture. Here it becomes essential to bring in experience as a prama?a or a valid means of knowledge. While comparing contradictory views in different scriptures, the view which agrees with experience or anubhuti should be taken as correct.
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dattaswami wrote:
The Lord is universal but the human beings in the universe differ in their attitudes. The same single Lord adopts a different procedure in a different region and such different procedure appears as a different religion. A few criticize the Lord of other religion. You are criticizing your own Lord of your own religion. The external behavior of the Lord differs due to different internal and external behaviors of the human beings in this universe.

The external form, dress, language, food habits and culture of human beings differ from one region to the other. Accordingly the external form, dress, food habits, language and culture of the Lord also differ to suit that particular region. The internal Lord and the internal essence of the same Lord is one and the same in His different human incarnations which have come in different regions or religions.
Excellent! :)

"Question:
Are not all Christians Baha'is? Is there any difference?
Answer:
When Christians act according to the teachings of Christ, they are called Baha'is.
For the foundations of Christianity and the religion of Baha'u'llah are one Love.
The foundations of all the divine Prophets and Holy Books are one Love.
The difference among them is one of terminology only. Each springtime is identical with the former springtime. The distinction between them is only one of the calendar - 1911, 1912 and so on.
The difference between a Christian and a Baha'i, therefore, is this:
There was a former springtime, and there is a springtime now.
No other difference exists because the foundations are the same Love.
Whoever acts completely in Love in accordance with the teachings of Christ is a Baha'i. The purpose is Love which is the essential meaning of Christian, not the mere word.
The purpose is the Sun itself and not just the dawning points. For though the Sun is one sun, its dawning points are many. We must adore not only the dawning points but also worship the Sun.
We must adore Love, the reality of religion and not blindly cling to the appellation Christianity or Bahai or etc.
The Sun of Reality must be worshiped and followed.
We must seek the fragrance of the Rose from whatever Bush it is blooming - whether oriental or western. Be seekers of the light of Love, no matter from which Lantern it shines forth.
Be Lovers not only of the lantern.
At one time the Light of Love shone from a lantern in the East, now in the West.
If it comes from North, South, from whatever direction it proceeds, follow the Light of Love.
Let me illustrate further.
A certain person bestowed a coin upon five beggars.
They resolved to spend it for food.
The Englishman said, "Buy grapes."
The Turk wanted uzum,
the Arab anab,
the Greek stafi'li,
the Persian angur.
Not understanding each other's language, they quarreled and fought.
A stranger came along. He was familiar with all five languages. He said, "Give me the coin; I will buy what you wish."
When he brought them grapes, they were all satisfied.
They all wanted the same one thing: Grapes of Love but differed in the term only.
Briefly, when The Reality of Love dawns in the midst of all the religions, all will be unified and reconciled in and with Love."
`Abdu'l-Baha: Promulgation of Universal Peace*, pages 247-248.

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ape wrote:
dattaswami wrote:
The Lord is universal but the human beings in the universe differ in their attitudes. The same single Lord adopts a different procedure in a different region and such different procedure appears as a different religion. A few criticize the Lord of other religion. You are criticizing your own Lord of your own religion. The external behavior of the Lord differs due to different internal and external behaviors of the human beings in this universe.

The external form, dress, language, food habits and culture of human beings differ from one region to the other. Accordingly the external form, dress, food habits, language and culture of the Lord also differ to suit that particular region. The internal Lord and the internal essence of the same Lord is one and the same in His different human incarnations which have come in different regions or religions.
Excellent! :)

"Question:
Are not all Christians Baha'is? Is there any difference?
Answer:
When Christians act according to the teachings of Christ, they are called Baha'is.
For the foundations of Christianity and the religion of Baha'u'llah are one Love.
The foundations of all the divine Prophets and Holy Books are one Love.
The difference among them is one of terminology only. Each springtime is identical with the former springtime. The distinction between them is only one of the calendar - 1911, 1912 and so on.
The difference between a Christian and a Baha'i, therefore, is this:
There was a former springtime, and there is a springtime now.
No other difference exists because the foundations are the same Love.
Whoever acts completely in Love in accordance with the teachings of Christ is a Baha'i. The purpose is Love which is the essential meaning of Christian, not the mere word.
The purpose is the Sun itself and not just the dawning points. For though the Sun is one sun, its dawning points are many. We must adore not only the dawning points but also worship the Sun.
We must adore Love, the reality of religion and not blindly cling to the appellation Christianity or Bahai or etc.
The Sun of Reality must be worshiped and followed.
We must seek the fragrance of the Rose from whatever Bush it is blooming - whether oriental or western. Be seekers of the light of Love, no matter from which Lantern it shines forth.
Be Lovers not only of the lantern.
At one time the Light of Love shone from a lantern in the East, now in the West.
If it comes from North, South, from whatever direction it proceeds, follow the Light of Love.
Let me illustrate further.
A certain person bestowed a coin upon five beggars.
They resolved to spend it for food.
The Englishman said, "Buy grapes."
The Turk wanted uzum,
the Arab anab,
the Greek stafi'li,
the Persian angur.
Not understanding each other's language, they quarreled and fought.
A stranger came along. He was familiar with all five languages. He said, "Give me the coin; I will buy what you wish."
When he brought them grapes, they were all satisfied.
They all wanted the same one thing: Grapes of Love but differed in the term only.
Briefly, when The Reality of Love dawns in the midst of all the religions, all will be unified and reconciled in and with Love."
`Abdu'l-Baha: Promulgation of Universal Peace*, pages 247-248.

Thanx.
All human incarnations are the same

All the human incarnations have the single common point which is the spiritual guidance given to the human beings since that is the most important program. Other factors like the physical form, dress, language, culture and composition of the three qualities are not important and variation occurs as you can see Jesus, Rama and Krishna. Therefore, God is represented by this common characteristic of true spiritual knowledge only (Satyam Jnanamanantam Brahma…, Prajnanam Brahma…Veda; Jnanitvatmaiva….Gita).
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I bump this thread because of recent events. It is necessary to try and understand the underlying causes of terrorism. This is my proposal:

Abstract: Drawing on notions from comparative religion, and also Freud’s discussion of the death drive, light is shed on the psychodynamic principles behind terrorism, and the bottomless evil of mankind, in general. Terrorism is not foremostly a political problem, or a problem deriving from poverty. Nor is it an evil that springs from unshackled instinctual forces. Terrorism, and the even greater problem of bullying and victimization of our peers, has its roots in an archaic psychic economy of sin transference. Following St Paul, people can be vaccinated against this evil, by forsaking ideological grandiose ideals; by giving up the search for the perfect, blissful, condition of outer life, and instead learn that 'the kingdom is within.'

Keywords: psychology of terrorism, theocracy, human sacrifice, transfer of sin, Khidr, The Green Man, St Paul, death drive, genocide.

Read the article here: http://mlwi.magix.net/terror.htm

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Mlw wrote:Terrorism, and the even greater problem of bullying and victimization of our peers, has its roots in an archaic psychic economy of sin transference.
Basically it's "pain transference". You hurt me, I hurt you back. Unfortunately that economy is not archaic and very much in train in all areas of nature, including in human societies.
Mlw wrote:Following St Paul, people can be vaccinated against this evil, by forsaking ideological grandiose ideals; by giving up the search for the perfect, blissful, condition of outer life, and instead learn that 'the kingdom is within.'
This may be the future but it is not today. There's a lot of corruption, vengeance, resentments and other neuroses to work through before humanity is mature, just as young people need to blunder down any number of "cul-de-sacs" in life before achieving maturity. I like to think that we'll get there, based on the fact that we have progressed hugely (in most parts of the world) since the naive atrocities of the past, eg. sacrificing virgins, treating women as chattel.
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ISIS. Is a force to be reckoned with. The Paris killers were centrally organised. The religious arguments of ISIS are icing on the cake. What ISIS wants is world domination by Sharia law. ISIS gets recruits from among the crowds of energetic and idealistic young people who are ready and happy to sacrifice themselves for a cause to make the world a better place. ISIS spends much time explaining to these young people how Sharia law will make the world a better place.

How can the democratic populations counter attack?

Organised religion is moribund. Politicians are not much respected. Democratic popular culture is not as persuasive among the disaffected young as is the popular attraction of ISIS. There is economic inequality together with ostentatious consumerism.

All of those weaknesses have to be addressed before we can eradicate ISIS.
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Waleed Aly's talk about the Paris attack has gone viral - deservedly so:
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Belinda wrote:ISIS. Is a force to be reckoned with. The Paris killers were centrally organised. The religious arguments of ISIS are icing on the cake. What ISIS wants is world domination by Sharia law. ISIS gets recruits from among the crowds of energetic and idealistic young people who are ready and happy to sacrifice themselves for a cause to make the world a better place. ISIS spends much time explaining to these young people how Sharia law will make the world a better place.

How can the democratic populations counter attack?

Organised religion is moribund. Politicians are not much respected. Democratic popular culture is not as persuasive among the disaffected young as is the popular attraction of ISIS. There is economic inequality together with ostentatious consumerism.

All of those weaknesses have to be addressed before we can eradicate ISIS.
Not really. Da'esh is a small band of killers. Not dissimilar to Columbian drug cartels or the mafia. They are ruthless killers who are ultimately cowardly, but do they really impact your or my daily lives? Not really. They are essentially impossible to "eradicate", just like crime, poverty, homelessness or mental illness. They are able to be managed and that will just have to be good enough.
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Lucky wrote:
Da'esh is a small band of killers. Not dissimilar to Columbian drug cartels or the mafia. They are ruthless killers who are ultimately cowardly, but do they really impact your or my daily lives?
The world caliphate is a different kind from other criminal organisations. True, Daesh don't bother me personally as I seldom go to crowded venues in European cities. Nor am I a disaffected youth and I don't even know personally any disaffected youths. However I do see the danger in 1. terrorist killings and 2. indoctrination of disaffected young people.

The picture is complicated by this new terrorist sort of aggression which is a definite advance upon what civilians have suffered during the 1939-45 war in bombings of cities and during the successive wars when civilians have suffered from foreign soldiers fighting in the foreign civilians' own homelands such as the Vietnam war.

What Lucky and I experience personally has little or nothing to do with the danger from organised people who are determined to make a world caliphate. Drug cartels and Mafia want to steal, they don't want to rule.
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Like wolves cloaked in sheep clothing, ISIS (murderers) cloak their selves with false authority from religion, which is meant to cover their love of murder, power, greed, etc., which draws other people who lack self esteem desiring the same attributes. Religion, per se, is not the cause or terrorism, it is, and always will be, what a human/s lack and desire.
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