heracleitos wrote: ↑May 10th, 2022, 9:18 pm
Sy Borg wrote: ↑May 10th, 2022, 4:29 pm
Many would say that the Void is actually God - infinite, timeless, with infinite potential.
I think that Baudelaire is spot on in that regard:
Charles Baudelaire wrote:
The devil's finest trick is to persuade you that he does not exist.
Technically, it is not even a lie that he does not exist. The original Nothing has existed. It no longer does. Only his desire to return, still exists.
Anthropomorphication of relative nothingness, which is actually a sea of diffuse radiation, magnetism and quantum fields. Nothingness is a relative term. All that exists is obviously something. If a patch of absolute nothing miraculously emerged in the universe, it be immediately infused with its surrounding stuff.
The universe is "stuff". Some small amount of material things exist on limited parts of the Earth's surface and atmosphere that is good for us humans. Most of space is lethal, as are the ocean deeps and deep underground. Or inside machines. In deserts. Most of the danger is not actively trying to kill you, just as a steamroller driver doesn't mean to kill any bugs caught beneath the roller.
heracleitos wrote: ↑May 10th, 2022, 9:18 pmThe original Nothing seeks to make us join a consensus with him, instead of God, while he carefully keeps his own consensus with God in good standing. That is why we must be made and misled into believing that he is himself the real God.
Sy Borg wrote: ↑May 10th, 2022, 4:29 pm
If we do not join a consensus in faith, then we do not separate ourselves from the rest of the world, and we don't spend our lives thinking of outsiders with hostility and contempt. Instead we are citizens of the world, denizens of nature, not seeking power for its own sake.
That amounts to disarming and disorganizing while the ruling mafia obviously doesn't.
The closest the US came to a ruling Mafia was a recent POTUS who had been mentored by a Mafia lawyer.
There is no "ruling Mafia" otherwise, just governments.
heracleitos wrote: ↑May 10th, 2022, 9:18 pmThe ruling mafia does everything to destroy religion and family. Furthermore, the more successfully they manage to destroy religion, the easier it becomes to destroy family ties. Just look at how spectacularly they have succeeded in doing that in the West after successfully discrediting religion.
Transition is difficult. The world is very, very slowly moving away from old animalistic models. That's okay, Homo sapiens slowly moved away from the ways of other apes too. Other apes, who do things the old way, have not gone away, just that humans have developed.
Some abhor change, which is only natural. It is also denialist. Chane must, and will happen and these is nothing - not even the almighty trilogy (in their own minds) of Xi, Putin and Kim - can stop change.
heracleitos wrote: ↑May 10th, 2022, 9:18 pmSy Borg wrote: ↑May 10th, 2022, 4:29 pm
Like fossil fuel companies, Abrahamic religions played an important role in developing civilisations, but now they are toxic and dangerous to the world.
Ideas that the ruling mafia really does not like, are almost surely a good thing.
Some things that will put one in prison, ie. ideas that governments (or what you call "the ruling mafia") don't like:
- murder
- torture
- rape
- theft
- vandalism.
The Taliban and other Islamic extremist tyrants, on the other hand, clearly approve of murder, torture, rape and theft. THAT is the Mafia.
Your deity and others are absurd notions, given the knowledge of the last 2,000 years. It's sheer superstition that a giant, magic man (presumably with robes and beard) who has the primitive, vicious mindset of the Middle East 2,000 years ago created the universe. This mythical magic man rules the Earth, but he only actually cares about Muslims (or Christians, depending on which magic man we are referring to) and he will torture and obliterate all others.
The deity concept can be elegant and deep when interpreted as written - metaphorically - but it's childish, unhealthy and painfully superficial to take ancient metaphoric tales literally - and it is a stinging insult to the authors, who would be horrified to see the meaning of their works butchered by modern literalists, applying modern meanings to archaic expressions.
Evil is just when your life encounters more intense entropy than it can handle. That's it. There is no devil. It's all just fantasy, imaginative interpretations of natural phenomena. Abrahamic texts routinely refer to exorcisms - casting demons out of possessed people.
Today we know that the "demons" were bacterial, fungal, viral or proterozoic infections or they were brain dysfunction. There are no demons, although immature, highly damaged humans and certain natural organisms and phenomena can seem evil to us.