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Philosophical: Ultimate Creator

Discuss philosophical questions regarding theism (and atheism), and discuss religion as it relates to philosophy. This includes any philosophical discussions that happen to be about god, gods, or a 'higher power' or the belief of them. This also generally includes philosophical topics about organized or ritualistic mysticism or about organized, common or ritualistic beliefs in the existence of supernatural phenomenon.
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Edward J. Bartek
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Philosophical: Ultimate Creator

Post by Edward J. Bartek » July 14th, 2008, 9:33 pm

Out of the ultimate unity of spirit came its opposite, the ultimate diversity of matter. Between them was the ultimate change, a rational concept that is a synthesis of spirit-matter. This was the Ultimate trinity of spirit-change-matter. Change is a rational concept. This was the ultimate trinity of spiritual-rational-sensual knowledge. Or personified, the ultimate trinity of spirit-mind-body.

If this ultimate change continued, it would have destroyed its creator, the ultimate spirit. This was the ultimate sensual evil. So change was reversed toward the spiritual in the ultimate balancing change. But too much of this change would have destroyed the sensual and the trinity. So change was reversed toward rational moderation, the ultimate cyclical change. This was the ultimate good of having a balancing, moderated, stabilized change between spiritual-rational-sensual values, in the trinity of spiritual-rational-sensual man, with his trinity of spirit-mind-body, "in the image of" the Ultimate Creator.

Most, if not all principles of knowledge may be deduced from this process of the Ultimate Creation. It is an ultimate source of knowledge. It is the source of spiritual theology, rational philosophy, and sensual science. It bridges the gaps between them to make a dynamic unity of them.

de Silentio
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Re: Philosophical: Ultimate Creator

Post by de Silentio » July 14th, 2008, 10:56 pm

Edward J. Bartek wrote:Out of the ultimate unity of spirit came its opposite, the ultimate diversity of matter.
Really? What makes matter the opposite spirit?

Edward J. Bartek
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DiSilento wrote: What makes matter the opposite of spirit?

Post by Edward J. Bartek » July 15th, 2008, 8:31 pm

The philosophical principle of thesis-anthesis, or the scientific principle of negative-positive. Analyze the scientific law of E=MC2. Isn't energy the opposite of matter? If energy is the oposite of "material" energy, then the opposite of material energy must be spiritua energy.

As principles are the same: The scientific principle is the same as the spirituaL principle. Thus, Out of the ultimate unity of energy came the diversity of matter with rational change change between.All energy would destroy all matter and the trinity of energy-change-matter. The same is dsaida for all spirit. Replace energy with God, and you have he Ultimate Unity that is the Ultimate Creatot.

de Silentio
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Re: DiSilento wrote: What makes matter the opposite of spiri

Post by de Silentio » July 15th, 2008, 10:07 pm

Edward J. Bartek wrote:Isn't energy the opposite of matter?
Not to my knowledge. Matter is composed of energy.
If energy is the oposite of "material" energy, then the opposite of material energy must be spiritua energy.
I am no logician, but I think that is pretty bad logic. Sorry.
Replace energy with God, and you have he Ultimate Unity that is the Ultimate Creatot.
Going by all of the other posts that you have made, you seem to have an agenda, possibly an evangelical one.

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Is energy the opposite of spirit?

Post by Edward J. Bartek » July 21st, 2008, 9:20 pm

By scientifc observation and philosophical reasoning: Antithesis is created from thesis with the synthesis of change between. Matter was created from energy, and energy is recreated by matter with change between, to maintain the constant entity of the whole. This is verified by E=mc2 and scientific Conservation Laws. Can anyone denied this by logic, fact or inconsistency?

Energy is an unknown, as is spirit. If spirit and matter are different, and spirit was created prior to energy, then they are thesis-antitheis, with change between them. As the unity of energy relates to matter, then energy has a material aspect that makes it different from the unity of non-material spirit. So in effect, unknown spirit created unknown energy that created known matter. Can this coherent rational explanation be denied by logic, fact, or inconsistency, not just by unexplained opinion?

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Post by jehocifer » July 22nd, 2008, 12:11 pm

You should look into the teachings of Parmenides and Zeno. I'm not saying that I agree with them, but it's interesting stuff.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parmenides

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Re: DiSilento wrote: What makes matter the opposite of spiri

Post by Edward J. Bartek » July 22nd, 2008, 9:25 pm

deSilentio said, [/quote]Going by all of the other posts that you have made, you seem to have an agenda, possibly an evangelical one.[/quote]

Yes, I have an agenda. It is not necessarily theological, but it is one to verify how the same few principle apply to most, if not all knowledge. These same few principles and systematic structures apply to philosophy, history, sociology, politics, psychology, science, mathematics,.....Can you possibly find anything wrong with this? [/quote]

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Post by jehocifer » July 22nd, 2008, 11:15 pm

Uh...yeah. You're assuming. Hey, don't we have another thread about this? Right right. Anyway, it doesn't seem that everyone agrees with you. Can you prove any of this?

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Post by mark black » July 23rd, 2008, 8:27 am

Well, this clears up the question of whether Edward was proposing spirit or spiritualism in his theory of histroy.

There's no rational basis for anything you can point to and call spirit - even if we seem to experience an 'I' that has been characterized as independent of our physical selves.

You really should begin with what you can see and touch and know with reasonable certainty, rather than attempt to fit reality around a favoured concept.

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Post by df544 » February 20th, 2009, 11:46 pm

YOU are the ultimate creator.

If science proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the god particle created the universe unless you believe it and are capable of understanding it then the final creator is someone who can understand that creation.

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