Will racism ever be over?

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Sushan wrote: October 22nd, 2021, 10:31 pm
Gertie wrote: August 6th, 2021, 10:54 pm
LuckyR wrote: August 6th, 2021, 1:40 am
Sushan wrote: August 5th, 2021, 8:10 pm This topic is about the August 2021 Philosophy Book of the Month, Defining Moments of a Free Man from a Black Stream by Dr Frank L Douglas



(Location 259 of Kindle version)

So in the book, when Frank gets to the US, he experiences instances of racial discrimination that he hadn't in Guyana. Once he was even denied of a prestigious job not because he was not suitable, but because he was black.

The author met with these issues few decades back, but still we see remnants of racism throughout the world. Will racism ever be over? If not, why?
Tribalism is intrinsic to the human understanding of self. The tribes in the future may move away from what we call race, but don't be fooled, it will just be replaced by something else besides race.
Yes I think you're right we have these evolved tribal pre-dispositions which can be triggered in various ways. My hope is that if we come to understand them better, we might be able to avoid the worst effects...
Yes, it has been shown that humans are tend to express their power when they feel like they have a superior power over other people. This psychological fact has been shown as the reason for violence towards war prisoners which were commenced by usually innocent soldiers (I am not saying they had no control over what they did, and it was wrong despite the reason). This trend is found in multi cultural societies where there are obvious majority and minority groups. So the solution for racism has to be found within individuals by learning how to treat everyone equally.
Learning is more effective in dealing with conscious discrimination than with unconscious bias.
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LuckyR
You are totally correct! Man is Tribal by nature and color is just one manifestation of this Tribalism. But, I’m gonna risk getting banned here - just by traveling the world and being a scientific observer, I conclude personally that some races are more intelligent (whites and Asians). I mean come on man, Africans had the same amount of time to develop an advanced society as other races and they are definitely far behind on technology, etc. people are so afraid to just use their common sense!
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Slavedevice wrote: October 26th, 2021, 7:06 am @LuckyR
You are totally correct! Man is Tribal by nature and color is just one manifestation of this Tribalism. But, I’m gonna risk getting banned here - just by traveling the world and being a scientific observer, I conclude personally that some races are more intelligent (whites and Asians). I mean come on man, Africans had the same amount of time to develop an advanced society as other races and they are definitely far behind on technology, etc. people are so afraid to just use their common sense!
Have you read Guns, Germs and Steel?
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I read that book long ago
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Slavedevice wrote: October 26th, 2021, 1:19 pm I read that book long ago
Did you get anything out of it?
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I don’t remember a lot. But this pandemic relates a lot to how germs relate to evolution
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Slavedevice wrote: October 27th, 2021, 6:52 am I don’t remember a lot. But this pandemic relates a lot to how germs relate to evolution
I get it. Jared Diamond basically shows how folks from societies that are technology and resource limited aren't that way due to intellectual or work ethic limitations, rather due to the luck of geographic history.
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Sushan wrote: August 5th, 2021, 8:10 pm The author met with these issues few decades back, but still we see remnants of racism throughout the world. Will racism ever be over? If not, why?
For most of human history there has been an evolutionary advantage to tribalism. Racism would disappear within a few generations if it became evolutionary preferable to do so.

This may be happening now. Curiously the same elite who profited from Imperialism and Slavery of other Races, now derive profit from Globalism (a generally anti-racist movement, notwithstanding its other detrimental issues).

The workers who were indoctrinated with racist attitudes into the fabric of their culture are now being beaten with a stick to unlearn them by those whose priveleged grandparents were shoving it down their throats in the first place. Such is life.
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On May 25, 2020, George Floyd died, causing the world to wake up to a painful reality: racism was still alive and well in America. People's perception of race and racism has evolved, although not as much as some might believe. White people are allowed benefits in society because of a system built up for their benefit, according to the psychological history of racism. While all racists are prejudiced, not all prejudiced people are also racists.
Prejudice is frequently learned early in life and has a subtle effect on behavior. Racism, on the other hand, is directed at a particular group and is usually more overt.
Create an equitable structure in which all communities are equally included.
Call attention to it instead of pushing racism under the floor or pretending that it does not exist.
When you hear racist sentiments, ask people why they believe that way and encourage them to think about other options.
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AmosMorrison wrote: December 15th, 2021, 9:01 am On May 25, 2020, George Floyd died, causing the world to wake up to a painful reality: racism was still alive and well in America. People's perception of race and racism has evolved, although not as much as some might believe. White people are allowed benefits in society because of a system built up for their benefit, according to the psychological history of racism. While all racists are prejudiced, not all prejudiced people are also racists.
Prejudice is frequently learned early in life and has a subtle effect on behavior. Racism, on the other hand, is directed at a particular group and is usually more overt.
Create an equitable structure in which all communities are equally included.
Call attention to it instead of pushing racism under the floor or pretending that it does not exist.
When you hear racist sentiments, ask people why they believe that way and encourage them to think about other options.
Of all the forces that lower racism, in my experience the passing away of generations is the most effective.
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Tegularius wrote: August 5th, 2021, 10:52 pm Oh yes! When we're all the same colour.
Our blood is red.
Nothing else is important.
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Sculptor1 wrote: December 16th, 2021, 1:28 pm
Tegularius wrote: August 5th, 2021, 10:52 pm Oh yes! When we're all the same colour.
Our blood is red.
Nothing else is important.
That's been known for thousands of years, but that commonality has never made the slightest difference to how one appears outwardly whereas blood is not normally seen.
The earth has a skin and that skin has diseases; one of its diseases is called man ... Nietzsche
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LuckyR wrote: December 16th, 2021, 1:39 am
AmosMorrison wrote: December 15th, 2021, 9:01 am On May 25, 2020, George Floyd died, causing the world to wake up to a painful reality: racism was still alive and well in America. People's perception of race and racism has evolved, although not as much as some might believe. White people are allowed benefits in society because of a system built up for their benefit, according to the psychological history of racism. While all racists are prejudiced, not all prejudiced people are also racists.
Prejudice is frequently learned early in life and has a subtle effect on behavior. Racism, on the other hand, is directed at a particular group and is usually more overt.
Create an equitable structure in which all communities are equally included.
Call attention to it instead of pushing racism under the floor or pretending that it does not exist.
When you hear racist sentiments, ask people why they believe that way and encourage them to think about other options.
Of all the forces that lower racism, in my experience the passing away of generations is the most effective.
Passing away of generation can be taken in two ways. Firstly, if you point out that a generation dies and with it, the racism they produce or suffer dies too, I think it is hard to believe. This is because any matter does in the air does not die. Rather it floats from one place to another and in the form to another. Thus, racism will never die nor be reduced. It is just the media attention that shows one out of ten incidents in a year. At the same time, racism is a growing phenomenon, either of colour, race, religion, or creed.
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AmosMorrison wrote: December 20th, 2021, 2:39 am
LuckyR wrote: December 16th, 2021, 1:39 am
AmosMorrison wrote: December 15th, 2021, 9:01 am On May 25, 2020, George Floyd died, causing the world to wake up to a painful reality: racism was still alive and well in America. People's perception of race and racism has evolved, although not as much as some might believe. White people are allowed benefits in society because of a system built up for their benefit, according to the psychological history of racism. While all racists are prejudiced, not all prejudiced people are also racists.
Prejudice is frequently learned early in life and has a subtle effect on behavior. Racism, on the other hand, is directed at a particular group and is usually more overt.
Create an equitable structure in which all communities are equally included.
Call attention to it instead of pushing racism under the floor or pretending that it does not exist.
When you hear racist sentiments, ask people why they believe that way and encourage them to think about other options.
Of all the forces that lower racism, in my experience the passing away of generations is the most effective.
Passing away of generation can be taken in two ways. Firstly, if you point out that a generation dies and with it, the racism they produce or suffer dies too, I think it is hard to believe. This is because any matter does in the air does not die. Rather it floats from one place to another and in the form to another. Thus, racism will never die nor be reduced. It is just the media attention that shows one out of ten incidents in a year. At the same time, racism is a growing phenomenon, either of colour, race, religion, or creed.
Well while there is definitely anti Black racism in the US today, I'd rather be Black today than in 1859. So, no, racism can be reduced. You are correct that racism cannot be eliminated. I'm OK with that though. I would declare victory if racism was present, but equal in every direction.
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It doesn't take much for racism to arise - merely speaking a different languge will do the trick.
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