Educating common people on professional subjects, is it helpful or is it an asking for a disaster?

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Belindi wrote: October 20th, 2021, 5:19 am Up to date First Aid can and should be taught to every man, woman, and child.

Clinical prescribing can and should be restricted to accredited experts, according to the medication's intended and side effects including addiction.

What doctors should tell patients may be judged according to how a competent patient answers the question(asked in a polite, peaceful, and sympathetic manner) "What would you like to know?"
There is no doubt that everyone should be taught as well as trained on updated first aid methods. And there is no fault in educating patients according to their understanding as well as on their request.

But here the author has gone beyond simple first aid and has discussed and invited ordinary readers to do interventions that usually need trained medical personnel. So that can give a reader a false confidence and he/she may try to do it on own avoiding proper medical practioners. This is what I see as a problem in over educating common people in professional subjects.
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This has both its advantages and disadvantages. A person is born with no awareness of the world around him, other than innate instincts and biological urges. With the passage of time, he has a better understanding of the world's reality. Knowledge has evolved into a tool for human growth and dynamism. Even information becomes an accomplishment for the human soul. You become easily irritated by the level of ignorance in your immediate environment. Normally, this is merely an inconvenience, but in other situations, such as when politicians make significant decisions based on their ignorance and brag about it, it may be terrifying. However, the application will be determined by the individual. Some people may benefit from being able for basic life support and first aid, while others will think of themselves as lifeguards, which will be a serious concern and a danger to the person's life.
However, I think educating the common people on professional topics is useful for our society as well as for themselves. They should know about educational trends https://mytutorsource.hk/blog/education ... s-in-2021/ of this era!
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Sushan wrote: October 20th, 2021, 11:41 am
Belindi wrote: October 20th, 2021, 5:19 am Up to date First Aid can and should be taught to every man, woman, and child.

Clinical prescribing can and should be restricted to accredited experts, according to the medication's intended and side effects including addiction.

What doctors should tell patients may be judged according to how a competent patient answers the question(asked in a polite, peaceful, and sympathetic manner) "What would you like to know?"
There is no doubt that everyone should be taught as well as trained on updated first aid methods. And there is no fault in educating patients according to their understanding as well as on their request.

But here the author has gone beyond simple first aid and has discussed and invited ordinary readers to do interventions that usually need trained medical personnel. So that can give a reader a false confidence and he/she may try to do it on own avoiding proper medical practioners. This is what I see as a problem in over educating common people in professional subjects.
The covid pandemic has been so disastrous that there are not enough proper medical practitioners to attend to all the people who need proper medical help for all sorts of illnesses and accidents, not only acute infectious diseases. This is why people are required to help themselves by wearing surgical quality face coverings and and open their windows for ventilation. People will not wear masks or open windows unless they understand why these measures are needed. This is an example of why people need the basics of epidemiology, and it is wonderful how the general public has learned so much medical knowledge and terminology in such a short time.
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Unfortunately, medical information has been co-opted by politicians to represent various political views. Thus the rabble hear the answer from their political puppet masters without the "whys", since it is a political calculation.
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LuckyR wrote: December 29th, 2021, 1:41 pm Unfortunately, medical information has been co-opted by politicians to represent various political views. Thus the rabble hear the answer from their political puppet masters without the "whys", since it is a political calculation.
Just as we need "proper medical practitioners" so we also need proper educational practitioners.

Proper educational practitioners teach people the art of scepticism, the main use of which is to sort the true from the false. It will be found that politicians who tell lies don't want the rabble to be educated.

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AmosMorrison wrote: December 29th, 2021, 4:28 am This has both its advantages and disadvantages. A person is born with no awareness of the world around him, other than innate instincts and biological urges. With the passage of time, he has a better understanding of the world's reality. Knowledge has evolved into a tool for human growth and dynamism. Even information becomes an accomplishment for the human soul. You become easily irritated by the level of ignorance in your immediate environment. Normally, this is merely an inconvenience, but in other situations, such as when politicians make significant decisions based on their ignorance and brag about it, it may be terrifying. However, the application will be determined by the individual. Some people may benefit from being able for basic life support and first aid, while others will think of themselves as lifeguards, which will be a serious concern and a danger to the person's life.
However, I think educating the common people on professional topics is useful for our society as well as for themselves. They should know about educational trends https://mytutorsource.hk/blog/education ... s-in-2021/ of this era!
I agree with you that there are both advantages and disadvantages to providing people with in-depth medical knowledge, as in the example you mentioned from William W Forgey's book. It's essential for individuals to strike a balance between gaining valuable knowledge and understanding their limitations when it comes to applying that knowledge in real-life situations.

It's true that being equipped with basic life support and first aid skills can be beneficial for individuals and society. However, it's crucial to recognize that certain skills, like the jaw-thrust maneuver, require proper training and practice to execute correctly. Overconfidence in one's abilities, especially in emergency situations, can indeed be dangerous.

Education and awareness of various professional topics can be valuable, but it's essential for individuals to approach this knowledge with humility and an understanding of their own limitations. In the case of medical knowledge, it's important to know when to step back and seek professional help. This way, we can work towards a more informed and responsible society that can make better decisions for their own well-being and the well-being of those around them.
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Belindi wrote: December 29th, 2021, 8:19 am
Sushan wrote: October 20th, 2021, 11:41 am
Belindi wrote: October 20th, 2021, 5:19 am Up to date First Aid can and should be taught to every man, woman, and child.

Clinical prescribing can and should be restricted to accredited experts, according to the medication's intended and side effects including addiction.

What doctors should tell patients may be judged according to how a competent patient answers the question(asked in a polite, peaceful, and sympathetic manner) "What would you like to know?"
There is no doubt that everyone should be taught as well as trained on updated first aid methods. And there is no fault in educating patients according to their understanding as well as on their request.

But here the author has gone beyond simple first aid and has discussed and invited ordinary readers to do interventions that usually need trained medical personnel. So that can give a reader a false confidence and he/she may try to do it on own avoiding proper medical practioners. This is what I see as a problem in over educating common people in professional subjects.
The covid pandemic has been so disastrous that there are not enough proper medical practitioners to attend to all the people who need proper medical help for all sorts of illnesses and accidents, not only acute infectious diseases. This is why people are required to help themselves by wearing surgical quality face coverings and and open their windows for ventilation. People will not wear masks or open windows unless they understand why these measures are needed. This is an example of why people need the basics of epidemiology, and it is wonderful how the general public has learned so much medical knowledge and terminology in such a short time.
I understand your point, and it's true that the COVID-19 pandemic has shown the importance of empowering the general public with basic medical knowledge, such as the principles of epidemiology and preventive measures. This has been crucial in mitigating the spread of the virus and managing the situation.

However, it's important to differentiate between providing the public with essential information to protect themselves and others and encouraging them to engage in potentially dangerous medical interventions that should be performed by trained professionals. While it's beneficial for people to understand how and why certain precautions work, we must ensure that this knowledge doesn't translate into overconfidence in their abilities to handle complex medical situations.
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LuckyR wrote: December 29th, 2021, 1:41 pm Unfortunately, medical information has been co-opted by politicians to represent various political views. Thus the rabble hear the answer from their political puppet masters without the "whys", since it is a political calculation.
It's unfortunate when medical information becomes politicized, as it can lead to the spread of misinformation and a lack of trust in science and health professionals. It's essential for people to have access to accurate and reliable information about their health, free from political influence.

When it comes to a book like the one by William W. Forgey, the intent is to empower individuals with knowledge on emergency medical management. However, it's crucial for readers to approach this information responsibly and understand their limitations. Gaining medical knowledge should not replace seeking professional help in critical situations.

In a world where information is readily available, it's important for individuals to develop critical thinking skills and learn to discern accurate information from misinformation, regardless of political affiliations. Encouraging health literacy and fostering a respect for scientific expertise can help create a more informed and healthier society.
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Belindi wrote: December 29th, 2021, 3:02 pm
LuckyR wrote: December 29th, 2021, 1:41 pm Unfortunately, medical information has been co-opted by politicians to represent various political views. Thus the rabble hear the answer from their political puppet masters without the "whys", since it is a political calculation.
Just as we need "proper medical practitioners" so we also need proper educational practitioners.

Proper educational practitioners teach people the art of scepticism, the main use of which is to sort the true from the false. It will be found that politicians who tell lies don't want the rabble to be educated.

"
Flatterers thrive on fools' credulity
" Aesop "
The Fox and the Crow
"
You make a valid point about the importance of proper educational practitioners. Teaching skepticism and critical thinking skills is crucial in helping individuals discern accurate information from falsehoods. This is especially important in the context of medical information, where misinformation can have serious consequences.

In a world where people have easy access to a wealth of information, it is crucial to develop the ability to evaluate the credibility of sources and the quality of information they provide. It's true that some politicians might not have the best interests of the public in mind when disseminating information, so cultivating a discerning and educated populace is essential.
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