Which one is more useful, a scientist or a diplomat?

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GE Morton wrote: December 15th, 2021, 12:21 pm
Pattern-chaser wrote: December 15th, 2021, 8:59 am
P.S. Japan was not as resistant as you describe. They had already surrendered when the bombs were dropped.
That is false. The Soviets declared war on Japan on Aug. 8, 1945, and launched their invasion of Japanese-occupied Manchuria on Aug. 9. The atomic bombs were dropped on Aug 6 and 9. The Japanese surrendered on Aug 15. Soviet entry into the war was certainly a factor in Japan's decision surrender, but the surrender did not precede the bombings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet%E2 ... panese_War
There is no consensus among historians on this matter. But I apologise if I seemed more certain than was justified.
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Pattern-chaser wrote: December 15th, 2021, 8:59 am
Pattern-chaser wrote: December 3rd, 2021, 9:55 am You ask if a scientist or a diplomat is "more useful" [...] you are, in the words of the old proverb, comparing apples and oranges.
Sushan wrote: December 14th, 2021, 8:37 pm Yes, the word 'world' can have different meanings. But if we consider something that can be applied both to a scientist and a diplomat, let's talk about the geopolitical world. And, yes, let's consider wars.

After finishing first world war a diplomatic effort was taken to prevent another world scale war from occurring. But the efforts lasted only several years. Seemingly the humans those days had no respect to diplomatic missions or decisions. Then came the second world war. Even after Germany fell, Japan was not willing to keep their arms down despite all the diplomatic efforts. Then the scientists came forward with the nuclear bombs, and we know what happened next. So scientists showed that they value more than diplomats in this particular situation.
You really think so? <baffled> Oppenheimer, when he realised the potential for actual destruction in the real world that his team had created, was appalled. Too late, but better late than never, some might say.
Robert Oppenheimer wrote:As he witnessed the first detonation of a nuclear weapon on July 16, 1945, a piece of Hindu scripture ran through the mind of Robert Oppenheimer: “Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds”.
Your previous posts have used phrases like "better for the world", and so I wonder, do you think the creation of nuclear weapons contributed to the betterment of the world?

P.S. Japan was not as resistant as you describe. They had already surrendered when the bombs were dropped. The military rushed to drop them - to try out their shiny new toy - before the news of Japan's surrender became known, and prevented their strike. Was it politicians or scientists that did that? I don't know. Are senior soldiers neither, or both?
America was not that interested in Japan's surrender.
They were very keen to try both types of A bomb on the Japs.
If they were trying for surrender then they might have waited for Japan to assess the damges of the first before dropping the second- that the US had thrown $2billion into the project.
The Japs were very interested in the Russians who had assembled the largest force in human history and watched Manchuria fall in a couple of days. The japs chose the US over Russia, before completely realising the devastation of the A bomb.
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