Do humans seek acceptance for what they do?

[Sushan]

This topic is about the March 2022 Philosophy Book of the Month, My Enemy in Vietnam by Billy Springer



PTSD rates were very high among the Vietnam War veterans comparative to general population, as well as other war veterans. Commonly accepted reason for this presentation is that they were not warmly welcome by their people on their return. People thought that they engaged in an unnecessary war, so they did not accept them as war heroes.

We see how some people claim that they just do what they need without caring others' opinions on their actions. But is it really true? Humans seek acceptance for what they do and when they get rejected it becomes a really hard blow on them. Do you agree with me?

[stevie]

We see how some people claim that they just do what they need without caring others' opinions on their actions. But is it really true? Humans seek acceptance for what they do and when they get rejected it becomes a really hard blow on them. Do you agree with me?

Yes and no because the degree of cognitive autonomy achieved depends on the individual and its history and cannot be generally assessed across all individuals.

[Elephant]

We see how some people claim that they just do what they need without caring others' opinions on their actions. But is it really true? Humans seek acceptance for what they do and when they get rejected it becomes a really hard blow on them. Do you agree with me?

I'm not sure how to respond to your OP since you cited the PSTD in war, then generalized it to other actions. War is something else.

But, to the quote above, people do care about the opinions of others. But when they say they don't care about what other people think, they're talking in terms of expediency, thinking for the sake of the moment. Long term, though, people do care about other people think. Notice when you hear a person talks like this -- it's an immediate decision he or she needs to do, usually an action they already know would be disapproved. Quitting your job and living off meager savings and bare minimums? Going out with someone your family disapproves? "I don't care what they think. I'm gonna do it" is what you hear.

[Good_Egg]

We see how some people claim that they just do what they need without caring others' opinions on their actions. But is it really true? Humans seek acceptance for what they do and when they get rejected it becomes a really hard blow on them. Do you agree with me?

I don't need you to agree with my choices or praise my actions.

But I'm not going to be comfortable in your company if your view of the world makes me out to be a fool, a cripple, a pervert, a heretic, or a villain.

[LuckyR]

This topic is about the March 2022 Philosophy Book of the Month, My Enemy in Vietnam by Billy Springer



PTSD rates were very high among the Vietnam War veterans comparative to general population, as well as other war veterans. Commonly accepted reason for this presentation is that they were not warmly welcome by their people on their return. People thought that they engaged in an unnecessary war, so they did not accept them as war heroes.

We see how some people claim that they just do what they need without caring others' opinions on their actions. But is it really true? Humans seek acceptance for what they do and when they get rejected it becomes a really hard blow on them. Do you agree with me?

While both the observation of the PTSD rate and the public attitude on the war are accurate, IMO there is a much simpler and more powerful explanation. Namely, the attitude of the soldiers themselves, the public notwithstanding. Remember, there was a draft, so soldiers were not willing volunteers, that is they were a cross section of the same "public" you referenced.

[Pattern-chaser]

Humans seek acceptance for what they do and when they get rejected it becomes a really hard blow on them. Do you agree with me?

Yes.

[intentes_pupil]

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Humans seek acceptance for what they do and when they get rejected it becomes a really hard blow on them. Do you agree with me?
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I believe humans are social animals and belonging is an essential part of our evolution and therefore our nature (the same as other species like dolphins, parrots or primates among others). Nevertheless, rejection "becoming a hard blow" is from my point of view dependent on individual values and needs. While I believe we all humans have the need of belonging and acceptance, how strong those needs are when confronted against other needs (like safety, physical integrity, food, etc), is 100% dependent on the individual.

I agree partially. I think it might be the case for most of people (specially among people influenced by western culture values) but I don't think we can use "humans" in the sentence.

Apart from that, PTSD is a condition that develops after a traumatic experience. I am not an expert on the subject, but never heard that it can appears due to society turning against you (without experimenting in this process a serious life danger or something of the like).
Although I think the consequences for those people can get worse due to the image society depicts from them, and it can make it difficult or even impossible to successfully get through their healing, I would not agree on that sentence.

[Sushan]

We see how some people claim that they just do what they need without caring others' opinions on their actions. But is it really true? Humans seek acceptance for what they do and when they get rejected it becomes a really hard blow on them. Do you agree with me?

Yes and no because the degree of cognitive autonomy achieved depends on the individual and its history and cannot be generally assessed across all individuals.

Cognitive autonomy discuss about the ability to form opinions and think for one's own self. If one has gained this autonomy to a maximum level, he/she may be ignorant about what others think about their decisions and actions. But are there people who have gone to the extent of developing the ability to totally ignore the social opinion? (Real ones not the pretenders)

[Sushan]

We see how some people claim that they just do what they need without caring others' opinions on their actions. But is it really true? Humans seek acceptance for what they do and when they get rejected it becomes a really hard blow on them. Do you agree with me?

I'm not sure how to respond to your OP since you cited the PSTD in war, then generalized it to other actions. War is something else.

But, to the quote above, people do care about the opinions of others. But when they say they don't care about what other people think, they're talking in terms of expediency, thinking for the sake of the moment. Long term, though, people do care about other people think. Notice when you hear a person talks like this -- it's an immediate decision he or she needs to do, usually an action they already know would be disapproved. Quitting your job and living off meager savings and bare minimums? Going out with someone your family disapproves? "I don't care what they think. I'm gonna do it" is what you hear.

War or anything else, it is all about being accepted by others. Soldiers tend to do war crimes when their actions are being accepted by peer soldiers. At the moment they do not see the big picture of the imminent consequences that they have to face if they get caught. And that is why some even video such incidents. The same thing is applicable to other scenarios as well. If we take going out with someone that your family disapproves, is something that people see in common things like tv shows, and they feel that as the right thing to do in that particular moment. When they see the full picture the train is already gone.

[Sushan]

We see how some people claim that they just do what they need without caring others' opinions on their actions. But is it really true? Humans seek acceptance for what they do and when they get rejected it becomes a really hard blow on them. Do you agree with me?

I don't need you to agree with my choices or praise my actions.

But I'm not going to be comfortable in your company if your view of the world makes me out to be a fool, a cripple, a pervert, a heretic, or a villain.

Quite a way to say it. And I see it as quite a way to be alone and friendless, as it is an important thing to give value to what others think and believe in relationships. These can include various opinions, beliefs, etc. Sometimes we have to accept what others think and believe even we do not fully agree with them.

[Sushan]

This topic is about the March 2022 Philosophy Book of the Month, My Enemy in Vietnam by Billy Springer



PTSD rates were very high among the Vietnam War veterans comparative to general population, as well as other war veterans. Commonly accepted reason for this presentation is that they were not warmly welcome by their people on their return. People thought that they engaged in an unnecessary war, so they did not accept them as war heroes.

We see how some people claim that they just do what they need without caring others' opinions on their actions. But is it really true? Humans seek acceptance for what they do and when they get rejected it becomes a really hard blow on them. Do you agree with me?

While both the observation of the PTSD rate and the public attitude on the war are accurate, IMO there is a much simpler and more powerful explanation. Namely, the attitude of the soldiers themselves, the public notwithstanding. Remember, there was a draft, so soldiers were not willing volunteers, that is they were a cross section of the same "public" you referenced.

When it comes to soldiers it is do or die, or comply and complain. Although a soldier is someone from the society, that someone is trained and converted into a soldier. Ideally he/she should be able to carry out orders without personal opinions or taking them personally. But no situation or human being is ideal. So they tend to take things personally. But the sad thing about the public is oftentimes accepting the winners but despising the loosers, which happened in this particular war as well.

[Sushan]

Humans seek acceptance for what they do and when they get rejected it becomes a really hard blow on them. Do you agree with me?

Yes.

Pretty much straight forward, and short and sweet. I would like if some thoughts were added to the discussion as well. Anyway, thank you

[Sushan]

Humans seek acceptance for what they do and when they get rejected it becomes a really hard blow on them. Do you agree with me?
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I believe humans are social animals and belonging is an essential part of our evolution and therefore our nature (the same as other species like dolphins, parrots or primates among others). Nevertheless, rejection "becoming a hard blow" is from my point of view dependent on individual values and needs. While I believe we all humans have the need of belonging and acceptance, how strong those needs are when confronted against other needs (like safety, physical integrity, food, etc), is 100% dependent on the individual.

I agree partially. I think it might be the case for most of people (specially among people influenced by western culture values) but I don't think we can use "humans" in the sentence.

Apart from that, PTSD is a condition that develops after a traumatic experience. I am not an expert on the subject, but never heard that it can appears due to society turning against you (without experimenting in this process a serious life danger or something of the like).
Although I think the consequences for those people can get worse due to the image society depicts from them, and it can make it difficult or even impossible to successfully get through their healing, I would not agree on that sentence.
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PTSD does not occur due to social rejection. And it is seen in many soldiers after they actively engage in battles. And a general percentage of the occurrence is observed as well. But scientists saw these values getting higher in American soldiers who fought with Vietcongs. So the additional factor was the rejection from the society. This was used in reverse to reduce PTSD rates among soldiers. So whether it is direct or indirect, the two has a relationship.

[Pattern-chaser]

PTSD does not occur due to social rejection.

I recently met someone with PTSD, and I learned a lot. Their PTSD was caused by a family trauma, nothing to do with military combat, but still PTSD. It's now classed as - or treated as - a 'mental health' condition, like a disease. From what I learned, I imagine that PTSD could be caused by any trauma - not just an unpleasant experience - including social rejection, perhaps?

[stevie]

We see how some people claim that they just do what they need without caring others' opinions on their actions. But is it really true? Humans seek acceptance for what they do and when they get rejected it becomes a really hard blow on them. Do you agree with me?

Yes and no because the degree of cognitive autonomy achieved depends on the individual and its history and cannot be generally assessed across all individuals.

Cognitive autonomy discuss about the ability to form opinions and think for one's own self. If one has gained this autonomy to a maximum level, he/she may be ignorant about what others think about their decisions and actions. But are there people who have gone to the extent of developing the ability to totally ignore the social opinion? (Real ones not the pretenders)

I don't know. As far as I am concerned I tend to not care about others when it comes to my decisions but I consider polls as a source of information withouth being influenced by them. I have not access to "social opinion" whatever this is.