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Re: Gun Control and Mass Murder

Post by Steve3007 » August 11th, 2019, 3:11 am

GE Morton wrote:This statement was interesting: "Adult offenders with 11+ previous offences make up 38% of all adult offenders in the cohort, but committed over 75% of all adult proven reoffences."

Sounds much like the US. Forces the question: "Why are persons with 11 previous offenses still loose on the streets?"
Difficult to tell without knowing what those offences were. Presumably the sentences must have been extremely short or there must have been a single sentence covering several offences. So I presume they weren't murder because murder attracts a life sentence. The number of people who commit murder, are imprisoned for it and then come out and commit murder again appears to be very small compared to the total number of murders. The knife crime problem in London does not appear to be caused by people who have been released too early after killing previously.

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Re: Gun Control and Mass Murder

Post by GE Morton » August 11th, 2019, 7:56 pm

Steve3007 wrote:
August 11th, 2019, 3:11 am
GE Morton wrote:This statement was interesting: "Adult offenders with 11+ previous offences make up 38% of all adult offenders in the cohort, but committed over 75% of all adult proven reoffences."

Sounds much like the US. Forces the question: "Why are persons with 11 previous offenses still loose on the streets?"
Difficult to tell without knowing what those offences were. Presumably the sentences must have been extremely short or there must have been a single sentence covering several offences. So I presume they weren't murder because murder attracts a life sentence. The number of people who commit murder, are imprisoned for it and then come out and commit murder again appears to be very small compared to the total number of murders. The knife crime problem in London does not appear to be caused by people who have been released too early after killing previously.
That is also true in the US. Not many convicted murderers commit murder after being released, largely because they will have served quite long sentences and are older. But most of them will have committed numerous previous offenses short of murder, which should have taken them off the streets years earlier.

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Re: Gun Control and Mass Murder

Post by LuckyR » August 12th, 2019, 4:14 pm

GE Morton wrote:
August 11th, 2019, 7:56 pm
Steve3007 wrote:
August 11th, 2019, 3:11 am


Difficult to tell without knowing what those offences were. Presumably the sentences must have been extremely short or there must have been a single sentence covering several offences. So I presume they weren't murder because murder attracts a life sentence. The number of people who commit murder, are imprisoned for it and then come out and commit murder again appears to be very small compared to the total number of murders. The knife crime problem in London does not appear to be caused by people who have been released too early after killing previously.
That is also true in the US. Not many convicted murderers commit murder after being released, largely because they will have served quite long sentences and are older. But most of them will have committed numerous previous offenses short of murder, which should have taken them off the streets years earlier.
The US isn't suffering from a reluctance to incarcerate large numbers of criminals for lengthy periods of time so you'll have to look elsewhere to explain the high murder rate
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Re: Gun Control and Mass Murder

Post by GE Morton » August 12th, 2019, 6:32 pm

LuckyR wrote:
August 12th, 2019, 4:14 pm

The US isn't suffering from a reluctance to incarcerate large numbers of criminals for lengthy periods of time so you'll have to look elsewhere to explain the high murder rate
The median stay in state prisons in the US is 1.3 years. Persons serving less than one year in state prison represented 40% of first releases in 2016.

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/tssp16.pdf

The "large numbers" is a result of the "war on drugs." Drug possession should be de-criminalized.

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Re: Gun Control and Mass Murder

Post by LuckyR » August 13th, 2019, 1:06 am

GE Morton wrote:
August 12th, 2019, 6:32 pm
LuckyR wrote:
August 12th, 2019, 4:14 pm

The US isn't suffering from a reluctance to incarcerate large numbers of criminals for lengthy periods of time so you'll have to look elsewhere to explain the high murder rate
The median stay in state prisons in the US is 1.3 years. Persons serving less than one year in state prison represented 40% of first releases in 2016.

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/tssp16.pdf

The "large numbers" is a result of the "war on drugs." Drug possession should be de-criminalized.
While your comments have merit on their own, they don't counter my point.
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