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Sy Borg wrote: March 27th, 2021, 6:59 pm
Sculptor1 wrote: March 27th, 2021, 5:35 pm
Sy Borg wrote: March 27th, 2021, 4:25 pm
Sculptor1 wrote: March 27th, 2021, 2:13 pm

Trump's attack dog lawyer says all her election fraud claims are lies..

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The result of sociopathy being admired rather than reviled.
Except that people following and supporting Trump and his cronies do not think it is sociopathy.

I think this has more to do with America's valoration of FAITH. In the US believing is more important than knowledge, reason and learning. It is only important to a Trumper that they have something they want to believe.

Having parity between evolutionary studies and creationism is another example of this insanity.
Yes, I think your post is closer to the nub of the problem than mine. I have had similar thoughts, that US Americians' tendency to embrace beliefs rather than test them opens the way for scam ideas to take hold. A 2009 survey found that about 70% of Americans believed in ghosts while only around 40% believed in evolution.

Christianity's stitch-up is the claim that questioning unfounded beliefs is a sign of weakness, a failure of faith, rather than rational behaviour. An equivalent political scam is currently being played out, where acceptance of evidence contrary to fantastical claims are seen as weakness, naively falling for the lies of "elites" and mainstream media.

It's basically the same game, where the "dealer" can never lose. I expect there is a name for this manipulative dynamic, but I don't know it.
It is quite horrifyingly bad. The sort of changes necessary to trun Americans into rational people would take several generations.
The US is a massive danger to the world. But where it is easy to see from the outside, its not so easy to see closer to home.
Here worship of the flag an monarchy is on the rise again, and governments are happy to find scapegoats to give the drongos the blood they so earnestly crave.
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Sculptor1: 'Except that people following and supporting Trump and his cronies do not think it is sociopathy.'

And Trump himself believed what he did was right:

https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/tr ... lishments/

It is a very, very long list, but here are some highlights (mostly just the sub-section headings) for consideration:

'America gained 7 million new jobs – more than three times government experts’ projections.

The bottom 50 percent of American households saw a 40 percent increase in net worth.

Achieved a record-setting economic comeback by rejecting blanket lockdowns -An October 2020 Gallup survey found 56 percent of Americans said they were better off during a pandemic than four years prior.

[*SPECIAL MENTION*]
Passed $3.2 trillion in historic tax relief and reformed the tax code.
More than 6 million American workers received wage increases, bonuses, and increased benefits thanks to the tax cuts.
A typical family of four earning $75,000 received an income tax cut of more than $2,000 – slashing their tax bill in half.
Cut the business tax rate from 35 percent – the highest in the developed world – all the way down to 21 percent.
Over $1.5 trillion was repatriated into the United States from overseas.
[GOTTA LOVE THAT, AM I RIGHT?]

Ended the regulatory assault on American Businesses and Workers - Removed nearly 25,000 pages from the Federal Register – more than any other president. The previous administration added over 16,000 pages.

Secured historic trade deals to defend American workers:
Immediately withdrew from the job-killing Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP).
Ended the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), and replaced it with the brand new United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement (USMCA).

Took strong actions to confront unfair trade practices and put America First:
Imposed tariffs on hundreds of billions worth of Chinese goods to protect American jobs and stop China’s abuses under Section 232 of the Trade Expansion Act of 1962 and Section 301 of the Trade Act of 1974.
Directed an all-of-government effort to halt and punish efforts by the Communist Party of China to steal and profit from American innovations and intellectual property.

American Energy Independence
Unleashed America’s oil and natural gas potential.
For the first time in nearly 70 years, the United States has become a net energy exporter.
The United States is now the number one producer of oil and natural gas in the world.
Increased access to our country’s abundant natural resources in order to achieve energy independence.

Affordable and high-quality Child Care for American workers and their families.

Created the first-ever paid family leave tax credit for employees earning $72,000 or less.

Advanced women’s economic empowerment - Launched the Women’s Global Development and Prosperity (W-GDP) Initiative – the first-ever whole-of-government approach to women’s economic empowerment that has reached 24 million women worldwide.

Life-Saving Response to the China Virus:
Restricted travel to the United States from infected regions of the world.
Acted early to combat the China Virus in the United States.
Built the world’s leading testing system from scratch, conducting over 200 million tests – more than all of the European Union combined.
Pioneered groundbreaking treatments and therapies that reduced the mortality rate by 85 percent, saving over 2 million lives.
The United States has among the lowest case fatality rates in the entire world.
Brought the full power of American medicine and government to produce a safe and effective vaccine in record time.
Rescued the American economy with nearly $3.4 trillion in relief, the largest financial aid package in history.

Great Healthcare for Americans:
Empowered American patients by greatly expanding healthcare choice, transparency, and affordability.
Eliminated the Obamacare individual mandate – a financial relief to low and middle-income households that made up nearly 80 percent of the families who paid the penalty for not wanting to purchase health insurance.
Increased choice for consumers by promoting competition in the individual health insurance market leading to lower premiums for three years in a row.

Remaking the Federal Judiciary
Appointed a historic number of Federal judges who will interpret the Constitution as written.

Secured the Southern Border of the United States.
Built over 400 miles of the world’s most robust and advanced border wall.
Illegal crossings have plummeted over 87 percent where the wall has been constructed.

Ended asylum fraud, shut down human smuggling traffickers, and solved the humanitarian crisis across the Western Hemisphere.

Restored America’s leadership in the world and successfully negotiated to ensure our allies pay their fair share for our military protection.

Colossal Rebuilding of the Military:
Rebuilt the military and created the Sixth Branch, the United States Space Force.
Completely rebuilt the United States military with over $2.2 trillion in defense spending, including $738 billion for 2020.

Defeated terrorists, held leaders accountable for malign actions, and bolstered peace around the world:
Defeated 100 percent of ISIS’ territorial caliphate in Iraq and Syria.
Freed nearly 8 million civilians from ISIS’ bloodthirsty control, and liberated Mosul, Raqqa, and the final ISIS foothold of Baghuz.
Killed the leader of ISIS, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, and eliminated the world’s top terrorist, Qasem Soleimani.
Twice took decisive military action against the Assad regime in Syria for the barbaric use of chemical weapons against innocent civilians, including a successful 59 Tomahawk cruise missiles strike.
Negotiated an extended ceasefire with Turkey in northeast Syria.

Reformed the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) to improve care, choice, and employee accountability.
Decreased veteran homelessness, improved education benefits, and achieved record-low veteran unemployment.

Making Communities Safer:
Signed into law landmark criminal justice reform.
Signed the bipartisan First Step Act into law, the first landmark criminal justice reform legislation ever passed to reduce recidivism and help former inmates successfully rejoin society.

*[The list goes on and on - the following are just sub-section headings]*

Cherishing Life and Religious Liberty

Stood up for religious liberty in the United States and around the world.

Safeguarding the Environment
Took strong action to protect the environment and ensure clean air and clean water.

Expanding Educational Opportunity
Fought tirelessly to give every American access to the best possible education.

Prioritized support for Historically Black Colleges and Universities.

Combatting the Opioid Crisis ...'


If you read through the linked list, or have read the snippets above, your reaction may be astonishment, admiration, or disbelief. Indeed some achievements may seem contradictory, such as 'unleashing America's oil and gas potential', while 'Safeguarding the Environment',

BUT

To his supporters he was the GOAT POTUS.
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No doubt that some thought of him as the goat POTUS, no matter which way you interpret it :)

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Haha - cute goat!
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Yes, as is the smiling goat below.
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Here is where we now stand as to Donald Trump and his desire to be President:

We now know the rest of the story - Or do we :?:

On January 6, 2021 did Trump and his supporters attempt a 'coup', an attempt to overturn a legitimate election by force and violence, declare martial law and then declare the election null and void - was this a coup attempt by Donald Trump and his supporters :?:

Is Donald Trump still in control of the Republican Party :?:

Will he be charged with criminal offenses :?: - If not, why not :?:

Will he run for President again and again claim that unless he wins the election it is rigged :?:

Is Donald Trump still a threat to the Republic of the United States and its Constitution :?:
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To understand Trump's status we probably need to know what Putin's current projects are. When Putin wants Trump to act on his behalf, would-be King Donald I will drop everything to do his master's bidding.

Love to know what Putin has on Trump to have this hold over him. Given how easily Trump weathered the Stormy Daniels scandal, whatever he did that the KGB filmed to must be something that even his supporters would not tolerate. It's hard to imagine what it could be.
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Sy Borg wrote: May 6th, 2021, 1:13 am To understand Trump's status we probably need to know what Putin's current projects are. When Putin wants Trump to act on his behalf, would-be King Donald I will drop everything to do his master's bidding.

Love to know what Putin has on Trump to have this hold over him. Given how easily Trump weathered the Stormy Daniels scandal, whatever he did that the KGB filmed to must be something that even his supporters would not tolerate. It's hard to imagine what it could be.
It could be something yellow.
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LuckyR wrote: May 6th, 2021, 2:07 am
Sy Borg wrote: May 6th, 2021, 1:13 am To understand Trump's status we probably need to know what Putin's current projects are. When Putin wants Trump to act on his behalf, would-be King Donald I will drop everything to do his master's bidding.

Love to know what Putin has on Trump to have this hold over him. Given how easily Trump weathered the Stormy Daniels scandal, whatever he did that the KGB filmed to must be something that even his supporters would not tolerate. It's hard to imagine what it could be.
It could be something yellow.
As in golden?
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Why he's not condemned as a treasonous bastard I'll never understand.
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Tegularius wrote: May 6th, 2021, 7:48 pm Why he's not condemned as a treasonous bastard I'll never understand.
When enough people are treasonous, you cannot act. The entire Republican Party, not just Trump, have made clear that they prefer the Russian system of politics to that of US's democracy. That's why most Republican politicians tacitly approved of the Capitol invasion. If they actually thought it was a problem, they would have acted to remove Trump, despite his popularity. Instead they have acted to remove all Republicans who dare speak out against the Capitol riots.

Then they have the nerve to blather about political correctness even as they muzzle oppositional thoughts far more fiercely than any SJW. I miss the days when people were embarrassed to be exposed as hypocrites. Now they just gaslight and bully their way through.
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Sy Borg wrote: May 6th, 2021, 7:59 pm
Tegularius wrote: May 6th, 2021, 7:48 pm Why he's not condemned as a treasonous bastard I'll never understand.
When enough people are treasonous, you cannot act. The entire Republican Party, not just Trump, have made clear that they prefer the Russian system of politics to that of US's democracy. That's why most Republican politicians tacitly approved of the Capitol invasion. If they actually thought it was a problem, they would have acted to remove Trump, despite his popularity. Instead they have acted to remove all Republicans who dare speak out against the Capitol riots.

Then they have the nerve to blather about political correctness even as they muzzle oppositional thoughts far more fiercely than any SJW. I miss the days when people were embarrassed to be exposed as hypocrites. Now they just gaslight and bully their way through.
Since the "Rule of Law" has always been so vehemently proclaimed as a cornerstone of the American system it would have been not optional but incumbent to call to account the Republican Party or at least those who consistently defended Trump. But the rule of law, if it exists at all, remains a tenuous concept. It reveals the hypocrisy of a principle consistently repeated as an endorsement of a superior system yet remains dispensable when most required.

Since the Trump presidency has proven as much it's fair to ponder whether the stability of the U.S. has actually diminished relative to Russia or China. When so-called democratic institutions deteriorate it's logical that its opposite should prosper....which bodes ill for the West.
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Sy Borg wrote: May 6th, 2021, 7:44 pm
LuckyR wrote: May 6th, 2021, 2:07 am
Sy Borg wrote: May 6th, 2021, 1:13 am To understand Trump's status we probably need to know what Putin's current projects are. When Putin wants Trump to act on his behalf, would-be King Donald I will drop everything to do his master's bidding.

Love to know what Putin has on Trump to have this hold over him. Given how easily Trump weathered the Stormy Daniels scandal, whatever he did that the KGB filmed to must be something that even his supporters would not tolerate. It's hard to imagine what it could be.
It could be something yellow.
As in golden?
It depends on hydration, but basically yes.
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Tegularius wrote: May 6th, 2021, 9:56 pm
Sy Borg wrote: May 6th, 2021, 7:59 pm
Tegularius wrote: May 6th, 2021, 7:48 pm Why he's not condemned as a treasonous bastard I'll never understand.
When enough people are treasonous, you cannot act. The entire Republican Party, not just Trump, have made clear that they prefer the Russian system of politics to that of US's democracy. That's why most Republican politicians tacitly approved of the Capitol invasion. If they actually thought it was a problem, they would have acted to remove Trump, despite his popularity. Instead they have acted to remove all Republicans who dare speak out against the Capitol riots.

Then they have the nerve to blather about political correctness even as they muzzle oppositional thoughts far more fiercely than any SJW. I miss the days when people were embarrassed to be exposed as hypocrites. Now they just gaslight and bully their way through.
Since the "Rule of Law" has always been so vehemently proclaimed as a cornerstone of the American system it would have been not optional but incumbent to call to account the Republican Party or at least those who consistently defended Trump. But the rule of law, if it exists at all, remains a tenuous concept. It reveals the hypocrisy of a principle consistently repeated as an endorsement of a superior system yet remains dispensable when most required.

Since the Trump presidency has proven as much it's fair to ponder whether the stability of the U.S. has actually diminished relative to Russia or China. When so-called democratic institutions deteriorate it's logical that its opposite should prosper....which bodes ill for the West.
Some very good points!
Where this downward spiral began is hard to say - I might date it back to the JFK assassination.

But if we were under the rule of legitimate law today, not only would Trump be charged with treasonous crimes - But also the Republican Party which failed to impeach him, would be charged under the RICO
{organized crime and racketeering} statues - Apparently though Trump has shifted the US from a Republic to a Democracy, which is sometimes defined as 'mob rule' - He has too many supporters and government officials are afraid to stir up civil unrest by charging Trump with the crimes he is guilty of.

This is the way of the World - Putin more or less made himself dictator and chief in Russia
and Xi Jinping has made himself dictator of China. These people had to have others help them do this
- Backing by upper levels of the military and intelligence agencies.
Same with Trump - Remember all the cabinet changes and shifts in government agencies just before the January 6 coup attempt? Apparently someone or some upper echelon agency backed down at the last minute and hours after the riots started Trump came on the air and told his riotous coconspirators that 'we love you' but that they should 'go home now'.

As you can see by state legislatures enacting 'voter suppression laws' with Republican backing and still maintaining the Trump myth that the election was stolen - This is not over !

Unless and until Trump is held legally accountable for his crimes - The United States government and its Constitutional republic is existing on very tenuous grounds.
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UniversalAlien wrote: May 7th, 2021, 6:38 pm
Tegularius wrote: May 6th, 2021, 9:56 pm
Sy Borg wrote: May 6th, 2021, 7:59 pm
Tegularius wrote: May 6th, 2021, 7:48 pm Why he's not condemned as a treasonous bastard I'll never understand.
When enough people are treasonous, you cannot act. The entire Republican Party, not just Trump, have made clear that they prefer the Russian system of politics to that of US's democracy. That's why most Republican politicians tacitly approved of the Capitol invasion. If they actually thought it was a problem, they would have acted to remove Trump, despite his popularity. Instead they have acted to remove all Republicans who dare speak out against the Capitol riots.

Then they have the nerve to blather about political correctness even as they muzzle oppositional thoughts far more fiercely than any SJW. I miss the days when people were embarrassed to be exposed as hypocrites. Now they just gaslight and bully their way through.
Since the "Rule of Law" has always been so vehemently proclaimed as a cornerstone of the American system it would have been not optional but incumbent to call to account the Republican Party or at least those who consistently defended Trump. But the rule of law, if it exists at all, remains a tenuous concept. It reveals the hypocrisy of a principle consistently repeated as an endorsement of a superior system yet remains dispensable when most required.

Since the Trump presidency has proven as much it's fair to ponder whether the stability of the U.S. has actually diminished relative to Russia or China. When so-called democratic institutions deteriorate it's logical that its opposite should prosper....which bodes ill for the West.
Some very good points!
Where this downward spiral began is hard to say - I might date it back to the JFK assassination.

But if we were under the rule of legitimate law today, not only would Trump be charged with treasonous crimes - But also the Republican Party which failed to impeach him, would be charged under the RICO
{organized crime and racketeering} statues - Apparently though Trump has shifted the US from a Republic to a Democracy, which is sometimes defined as 'mob rule' - He has too many supporters and government officials are afraid to stir up civil unrest by charging Trump with the crimes he is guilty of.

This is the way of the World - Putin more or less made himself dictator and chief in Russia
and Xi Jinping has made himself dictator of China. These people had to have others help them do this
- Backing by upper levels of the military and intelligence agencies.
Same with Trump - Remember all the cabinet changes and shifts in government agencies just before the January 6 coup attempt? Apparently someone or some upper echelon agency backed down at the last minute and hours after the riots started Trump came on the air and told his riotous coconspirators that 'we love you' but that they should 'go home now'.

As you can see by state legislatures enacting 'voter suppression laws' with Republican backing and still maintaining the Trump myth that the election was stolen - This is not over !

Unless and until Trump is held legally accountable for his crimes - The United States government and its Constitutional republic is existing on very tenuous grounds.
Thanks for your response! I didn't think anyone would respond or agree to what I wrote. Sad to say it's probably much worse if everything came to light regarding Trump and the GOP. By extension whatever jeopardy the U.S. puts itself in also makes the rest of the Western World vulnerable. The other side of the coin is the U.S. itself may in future become more totalitarian in order to maintain its tenuous hold geopolitically... at least temporarily.

Trump's thoroughly corrupt regime, resembling farce more than tragedy, has made the defence of whatever freedom there was and the integrity of the election process into a joke. Even its historical allies will find it difficult to regain respect as long as Trump and some of his Republican partners in crime are allowed to occupy the golf course instead of a prison cell.
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