Is communism inevitable~?

[amorphos_ii]

Is communism inevitable~?

We will shortly be entering a new world, and one which we have never been in before. AI could take over much of the financial sector, management, perhaps education and much more. The tools of industry, machines and devices could take over many industrial and other areas of business, maybe even construction.

In short we could be looking at unemployment ranging from 20-80% or even more, we just don’t know. There are ways to deal with this, like I saw a documentary where a guy working at a car factory, took a part from one robot, walked a few steps and gave it to another robot. However, if we also have humanoid robots which can do at least menial tasks that humans do, then that guy is potentially out of work too.

We will be left with vast amounts of people sat there twiddling their thumbs going quietly [or not] mad. We saw during the Covid crisis that a relatively short amount of time off work sends families into despair. Though that was more intense because obviously people could not go out. We will probably see a massive rise in sports and leisure activities, which could increase jobs in those sectors, if they too are not taken over by robots and AI.

Thing is, communist countries like China have a vast workforce, and they will have all the same problems! In fact it could be worse because people have been relocated into vast cities, and the countryside is largely used to feed them.

People will probably eat more, drink more alcohol, smoke weed and some [hopefully not the masses] take far more harmful drugs.

I think the only solution to this and other apocalyptic issues is massive depopulation. Yet even that will take a long time.

Any solutions?

[d3r31nz1g3]

So you anticipate that unemployment will rise to new levels? I don't think so. Not so dramatically. AI and robotic systems are not self-sustaining. They must be built by man and must be maintained and operated by man. The robots aren't going to come to life and start repairing and building themselves.

Although many traditional jobs like factory jobs might start to disappear, I think new sectors in the economy will expand like entertainment or food. There will always be gainful employment.

For example, as factory jobs left America for China, the decades that followed saw a massive surge in the service industry. I think this trend will continue and the new world economy will have a place for everyone. There's always food to grow and there's always something to build and employment has always been available and that will never change.

[LuckyR]

Several things. First more total jobs have been (and will continue to be) lost from robotics than AI. In other words this is a current and recently past problem, not a distant future problem. Secondly, communism will be more vulnerable to the problem than capitalistic systems. Though capitalism won't automatically solve it, it will require planning and certain subsidies to lead to a solution.

[amorphos_ii]

I am not the only inventor who has concepts of devices and machines which will build and repair robots, and replace humans. maybe i should give my ideas to the chinese, as the capitalist are ignoring me lol. you see the point here, we may moderate and restrict, but others wont.

In the past people said mechanisation would manifest vast unemployment but it didn’t, it just changes things. So I hope you are right, and I expect the man has been thinking up jobs for some time now. Most jobs now and in the future are not the vast industry of the past, and this takes away workers powers and makes the unions weaker.

Either way I think we are looking at a massive power loss. Bosses could have no human workers and hence no unions and total power in their own domain, where capitalist govt doesn’t believe in interfering.

Cost of living crisis wont help food and leisure industries, and I can’t see the prices ever going down to what they were nor even close to that. Food or the lack of, is one thing that people will recoil against, and is what started the revolutions in the early 20th century.
There is only enough viable land to feed 15 billion people or if we generally across the planet eat twice as much. The UN are worried about 20 years into the future!

The Chinese have always found ways to keep vast populations working. I don’t think they care what happens and are probably waiting for the inevitable fall of capitalism when materials become scarce. I don’t think they are more vulnerable, and that it is capitalism which is very weak, due to the nature of financial markets.

Who will pop first!

[Pattern-chaser]

I am not the only inventor who has concepts of devices and machines which will build and repair robots, and replace humans. maybe i should give my ideas to the chinese, as the capitalist are ignoring me lol. you see the point here, we may moderate and restrict, but others wont.

From the sound of what you write, I guess that "we" means America and Americans? If so, I think your reasoning is upside down. The Chinese, for instance, are heavily regulated, and in a position to "moderate and restrict," if they see fit. The USA has no control over its companies and businesses, which will never moderate or restrict if it in any way reduces profit. Profit is all; nothing else matters or features.

[amorphos_ii]

Oh, fair point . But what I meant was that others may not limit themselves to what they invent and to what usage such inventions have. Whereas the west will. there is already talk in limiting AI where others like the Chinese may not hold to the same limits nor et al. On the news yesterday was the complain that ‘AI could lead to extinction’, and so there is a suggestion of limiting it.

[Pattern-chaser]

[W]hat I meant was that others may not limit themselves to what they invent and to what usage such inventions have. Whereas the west will.

Historically, the West has no established record of the restraint you describe. The East is not so much better, although when the Chinese invented gunpowder, many centuries ago, they forbade its use except for fireworks, or so the history books say. In fact, if we look carefully at our historical record, I think we will find that our record (all of us) is exactly the opposite of the moral high ground you claim for us?

[Pattern-chaser]

But isn't this topic about Communism? It seems all the current topic are being steered toward AIs, by their adherents?

[amorphos_ii]

As I said, the news already spoke about many in the west speaking of limiting AI usage.

I tried to present the op such that the inquirer can decide for themselves, ergo is not about communism. All of us have to find some way to get through the myriad of issues on the near horizon.