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Newme wrote: October 28th, 2020, 5:21 pm Disappointed more haven’t seen through the lies and fear-mongering. Even the CDC admitted covid is much less fatal than previously suggested - with similar rates as seasonal flu. Cabal is just using fears to deny constitutional rights like right to peacefully assemble.
False information flag

COVID death numbers are here: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

The US usually loses about 30,000 per year to the flu - not almost quarter of a million (projected to be half a million by the end of the northern hemisphere winter). There is also the issue of rapid transmission that clogged hospital beds so badly in some places that patients were left in hospital aisles. You do not see that with the usual flu.

Also, COVID is causing brain damage to many of those infected: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02599-5
The list now includes stroke, brain haemorrhage and memory loss. It is not unheard of for serious diseases to cause such effects, but the scale of the COVID-19 pandemic means that thousands or even tens of thousands of people could already have these symptoms, and some might be facing lifelong problems as a result.
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Newme wrote: October 28th, 2020, 5:21 pm Disappointed more haven’t seen through the lies and fear-mongering. Even the CDC admitted covid is much less fatal than previously suggested - with similar rates as seasonal flu. Cabal is just using fears to deny constitutional rights like right to peacefully assemble.

A study found that more than diet, genetics etc., social connections contributed most to health and longevity. Already we see spikes in suicide and domestic violence from being i prisoner in homes. People are dying alone. And here you guys are happy about and wanting this to be the “new (insane) normal.”
Please explain why the Cabal would shut down economies and cut into their own profit margin.
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Greta wrote: October 28th, 2020, 8:27 pm False information flag
“False information flag”?? :lol:
Been watching (& believing) too much media?
Mind control parroting:
https://youtu.be/Bfu_RIdGT2A

On the chart below, look at the flu, pneumonia & covid deaths over the last several years. Notice as flu & pneumonia deaths went down, covid deaths went up - covid was blamed for other deaths to try to scare people & justify their own greedy, tyrannical actions. An Italy study found 99% of deaths attributed to covid were actually due to other factors. And 2018? Why no shut downs or masks bs then - when it was worse than the same time 2020???

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... report.png

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... -data.html
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LuckyR wrote: October 29th, 2020, 2:26 am
Newme wrote: October 28th, 2020, 5:21 pm Disappointed more haven’t seen through the lies and fear-mongering. Even the CDC admitted covid is much less fatal than previously suggested - with similar rates as seasonal flu. Cabal is just using fears to deny constitutional rights like right to peacefully assemble.

A study found that more than diet, genetics etc., social connections contributed most to health and longevity. Already we see spikes in suicide and domestic violence from being i prisoner in homes. People are dying alone. And here you guys are happy about and wanting this to be the “new (insane) normal.”
Please explain why the Cabal would shut down economies and cut into their own profit margin.
You didn’t hear? Some businesses are more “essential” and resistant to covid, than others. :wink:

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Newme wrote: November 8th, 2020, 2:59 pm
Greta wrote: October 28th, 2020, 8:27 pm False information flag
“False information flag”?? :lol:
Been watching (& believing) too much media?
Mind control parroting:
https://youtu.be/Bfu_RIdGT2A

On the chart below, look at the flu, pneumonia & covid deaths over the last several years. Notice as flu & pneumonia deaths went down, covid deaths went up - covid was blamed for other deaths to try to scare people & justify their own greedy, tyrannical actions. An Italy study found 99% of deaths attributed to covid were actually due to other factors. And 2018? Why no shut downs or masks bs then - when it was worse than the same time 2020???

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... report.png

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... -data.html
Yes, you spread false information on the site and you have done it again. More conspiracy theories being parrotted - why???

Where is the evidence that 99% of Italian cases were wrongly attributed to COVID? That's the silliest claim I've seen on the site for ... days!
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Newme wrote: November 8th, 2020, 3:03 pm
LuckyR wrote: October 29th, 2020, 2:26 am

Please explain why the Cabal would shut down economies and cut into their own profit margin.
You didn’t hear? Some businesses are more “essential” and resistant to covid, than others. :wink:

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I keep wondering how soon people will get tired of social distancing, if ever. On a macro level, countries around the world will recognize that ignoring COVID gives one a competitive edge in the world economy. It is the prisoner's dilemma all over again. COVID also has a massive influence on mental health as others have stated in this thread, so individuals have a strong incentive to selfishly break from the norm. Personally, I think that is messed up, but I also do not have mental health issues.
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Greta wrote: November 8th, 2020, 5:36 pm
Newme wrote: November 8th, 2020, 2:59 pm
“False information flag”?? :lol:
Been watching (& believing) too much media?
Mind control parroting:
https://youtu.be/Bfu_RIdGT2A

On the chart below, look at the flu, pneumonia & covid deaths over the last several years. Notice as flu & pneumonia deaths went down, covid deaths went up - covid was blamed for other deaths to try to scare people & justify their own greedy, tyrannical actions. An Italy study found 99% of deaths attributed to covid were actually due to other factors. And 2018? Why no shut downs or masks bs then - when it was worse than the same time 2020???

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... report.png

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... -data.html
Yes, you spread false information on the site and you have done it again. More conspiracy theories being parrotted - why???

Where is the evidence that 99% of Italian cases were wrongly attributed to COVID? That's the silliest claim I've seen on the site for ... days!
Look it up yourself:
Over 99% of coronavirus patients in Italy who died had other health problems
https://nypost.com/2020/03/18/over-99-o ... illnesses/

More recently, a study of +6,000 participants found that masks don’t work in preventing covid:
https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/18/ma ... ion-rates/

Masks are harmful
https://www.jennifermargulis.net/wearin ... ur-health/

What is most absurd is the number of “intellectuals” who throw reason out the window when they saturate themselves with scripted media that uses for their manipulation, appeal to emotion (fear mongering)...
https://youtu.be/Bfu_RIdGT2A
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LuckyR wrote: November 11th, 2020, 12:07 pm
Newme wrote: November 8th, 2020, 3:03 pm
You didn’t hear? Some businesses are more “essential” and resistant to covid, than others. :wink:

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How is it that a nobody on the internet has "secret" information that some of the rich and powerful could use to their benefit, yet that information eludes them?
I’m not sure what you’re asking so I’ll guess & trust you’ll correct me if I’m mistaken.

The internet has been excessively censored, more since covid than any time I’ve ever seen. The narrative is definitely controlled (see the video I shared in my last post of news repeatedly stating the same fear-mongering appeal-to-emotion scripts). This is a form of mind control which has been used for centuries. As we saw with the lgbtq movement, the masses - including “intellectuals” - don’t know what to do when people try to make them feel guilty for not accepting ridiculous illogical claims, so they just go along. Similar phenomena with covid. Often even the smartest person cares more about being seen as “nice,” than about truth & doing what’s right. A study suggested about 2/3 of people will go along with peer pressure even when they know it to be a lie/factually untrue.

Now in case you were asking something else, historically, when war, famine, disease or other things (including pretending there’s a fatal “scary” covid like an extension of “Gates NYC Oct. 2019 EVENT 201”) that cause people to lose their businesses, property etc - is seen by some as the perfect opportunity to swoop in & buy up properties for cheap. Some, who are part of the planning of orchestrated events have sold the stocks they had that they knew would plummet - before they plummeted. War - in all its forms - has often been orchestrated in ways in which people win, no matter which grunt team wins or loses. How? By financing the wars and causing both warring in the dogfight to be in debt to them.
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Newme wrote: November 23rd, 2020, 7:35 pm
Greta wrote: November 8th, 2020, 5:36 pm

Yes, you spread false information on the site and you have done it again. More conspiracy theories being parrotted - why???

Where is the evidence that 99% of Italian cases were wrongly attributed to COVID? That's the silliest claim I've seen on the site for ... days!
Look it up yourself:
Over 99% of coronavirus patients in Italy who died had other health problems
https://nypost.com/2020/03/18/over-99-o ... illnesses/

More recently, a study of +6,000 participants found that masks don’t work in preventing covid:
https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/18/ma ... ion-rates/

Masks are harmful
https://www.jennifermargulis.net/wearin ... ur-health/

What is most absurd is the number of “intellectuals” who throw reason out the window when they saturate themselves with scripted media that uses for their manipulation, appeal to emotion (fear mongering)...
https://youtu.be/Bfu_RIdGT2A
Pretty insulting from one who no doubt exclusively gets her media from limited sources. No, I'm not following a script, I am following science and logic.

Have you noted that the US COVID death rate is over double that of Canada? https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir ... meAdUOA?Si

I wonder if a POTUS playing politics with a national crisis in a way I've not seen in my lifetime could be a factor? Like widening societal divisions at every opportunity? Spreading false information. Or openly flouting recommended risk management measures and encouraging his disciples to follow suit?

It's not all about masks. Maybe it's not a great idea to encourage thousands of people to gather at close quarters to hear their cult leader speak? And maskless. If you don't like masks, it's foolhardy to gather in close quarters with maskless people during a pandemic that will fairly soon have claimed one hundred times the lives lost on 9/11. This is basic risk management. So, if someone is vulnerable and not well suited to mask wearing, then they need to keep to themselves as much as possible.

I don't like masks either and struggle to breathe with them. I have worn them about twice since all this began, once in a doctor's surgery because it was required. So I have been rigorous about keeping my distance, but I have been lucky enough to be able to do that. Many are not. There is no optimal answer but it's clear that Trump has employed a less organised, cohesive and effective approach than seen in many developing countries. It is a sad fall for a nation that not so long ago lead the world.
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Newme wrote: November 23rd, 2020, 8:08 pm
LuckyR wrote: November 11th, 2020, 12:07 pm

How is it that a nobody on the internet has "secret" information that some of the rich and powerful could use to their benefit, yet that information eludes them?
I’m not sure what you’re asking so I’ll guess & trust you’ll correct me if I’m mistaken.

The internet has been excessively censored, more since covid than any time I’ve ever seen. The narrative is definitely controlled (see the video I shared in my last post of news repeatedly stating the same fear-mongering appeal-to-emotion scripts). This is a form of mind control which has been used for centuries. As we saw with the lgbtq movement, the masses - including “intellectuals” - don’t know what to do when people try to make them feel guilty for not accepting ridiculous illogical claims, so they just go along. Similar phenomena with covid. Often even the smartest person cares more about being seen as “nice,” than about truth & doing what’s right. A study suggested about 2/3 of people will go along with peer pressure even when they know it to be a lie/factually untrue.

Now in case you were asking something else, historically, when war, famine, disease or other things (including pretending there’s a fatal “scary” covid like an extension of “Gates NYC Oct. 2019 EVENT 201”) that cause people to lose their businesses, property etc - is seen by some as the perfect opportunity to swoop in & buy up properties for cheap. Some, who are part of the planning of orchestrated events have sold the stocks they had that they knew would plummet - before they plummeted. War - in all its forms - has often been orchestrated in ways in which people win, no matter which grunt team wins or loses. How? By financing the wars and causing both warring in the dogfight to be in debt to them.
I'll try to be more understandable. Your premise requires there to be two groups: an enormous group of the easily fooled who, like sheep, believe the heavily censored internet, the lamestream media and fake "experts". And the savvy in-crowd, such as yourself and some shadowy international power brokers who are behind the internet censorship and are pulling strings to trot out fake "experts" like Fauci et al to bolster their profits through the changes in spending brought about by the fake pandemic.

My point is, why aren't the equally powerful, shadowy international power brokers who have interests in the businesses who lost billions in the pandemic defending their interests by blowing the whistle on this fake pandemic?
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Seth_Gibson wrote: November 15th, 2020, 2:00 pm I keep wondering how soon people will get tired of social distancing, if ever. On a macro level, countries around the world will recognize that ignoring COVID gives one a competitive edge in the world economy.

Whatever competitive edge one might get in manufacturing (or whatever business you are thinking of competing with each other) is only part of the equation. There is also the increased cost of dealing with more people having the virus, which must be paid for somehow. Since medical care is often expensive, that could easily more than wipe out the entire economic advantage of ignoring the virus. So, even if one does not care about human life, the economics of ignoring it may be more costly than taking steps to mitigate the spread of it.

Also, if we are dealing with skilled workers getting sick, then the company will need to spend more money training new workers. It really would be foolish to ignore the virus even if one only cared about money and cared nothing at all for human life.

Seth_Gibson wrote: November 15th, 2020, 2:00 pm It is the prisoner's dilemma all over again. COVID also has a massive influence on mental health as others have stated in this thread, so individuals have a strong incentive to selfishly break from the norm. Personally, I think that is messed up, but I also do not have mental health issues.

The thing is, people also have a strong incentive to selfishly distance themselves from others, so that they do not get sick and die.

I think what is going on with most of the people who violate the recommendations of health organizations (like the CDC) is that they do not believe in the virus, or do not believe it is as bad as it is. In short, they do not believe they will get sick. There are all sorts of idiots in the world who believe a good deal of nonsense and are easily suckered by some ridiculous conspiracy theory, and so, being idiots, they act accordingly.
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Seth_Gibson wrote: November 15th, 2020, 2:00 pm I keep wondering how soon people will get tired of social distancing, if ever. On a macro level, countries around the world will recognize that ignoring COVID gives one a competitive edge in the world economy. It is the prisoner's dilemma all over again. COVID also has a massive influence on mental health as others have stated in this thread, so individuals have a strong incentive to selfishly break from the norm. Personally, I think that is messed up, but I also do not have mental health issues.
In my opinion, I'd rather let social distancing in public remain even after this pandemic. It's a breath of fresh air for me because you can greet your family and friends the usual if you do it indoors anyway.
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Greta wrote: November 23rd, 2020, 10:38 pm
Newme wrote: November 23rd, 2020, 7:35 pm
Look it up yourself:
Over 99% of coronavirus patients in Italy who died had other health problems
https://nypost.com/2020/03/18/over-99-o ... illnesses/

More recently, a study of +6,000 participants found that masks don’t work in preventing covid:
https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/18/ma ... ion-rates/

Masks are harmful
https://www.jennifermargulis.net/wearin ... ur-health/

What is most absurd is the number of “intellectuals” who throw reason out the window when they saturate themselves with scripted media that uses for their manipulation, appeal to emotion (fear mongering)...
https://youtu.be/Bfu_RIdGT2A
Pretty insulting from one who no doubt exclusively gets her media from limited sources. No, I'm not following a script, I am following science and logic.

Have you noted that the US COVID death rate is over double that of Canada? https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir ... meAdUOA?Si

I wonder if a POTUS playing politics with a national crisis in a way I've not seen in my lifetime could be a factor? Like widening societal divisions at every opportunity? Spreading false information. Or openly flouting recommended risk management measures and encouraging his disciples to follow suit?

It's not all about masks. Maybe it's not a great idea to encourage thousands of people to gather at close quarters to hear their cult leader speak? And maskless. If you don't like masks, it's foolhardy to gather in close quarters with maskless people during a pandemic that will fairly soon have claimed one hundred times the lives lost on 9/11. This is basic risk management. So, if someone is vulnerable and not well suited to mask wearing, then they need to keep to themselves as much as possible.

I don't like masks either and struggle to breathe with them. I have worn them about twice since all this began, once in a doctor's surgery because it was required. So I have been rigorous about keeping my distance, but I have been lucky enough to be able to do that. Many are not. There is no optimal answer but it's clear that Trump has employed a less organised, cohesive and effective approach than seen in many developing countries. It is a sad fall for a nation that not so long ago lead the world.
Covid deaths have been misrepresented. Italy study found 99% of supposed “covid deaths” were actually due to other pre-existing factors. It’s like the flu - people already really sick can die of it.
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Of course some are more vulnerable than others. Since probabilities suggest that a percentage of people will be especially vulnerable, there is a responsibility to not place them at risk. By the same token, the legal precedent - the eggshell skull rule - will still charge a person with murder for punching someone with a thin skull that a more robust person would have survived.

I also note that you make assumptions one way, but do not count deaths caused by people with other afflictions unable to access timely intensive care because ICUs are flooded with COVID patients struggling to breathe.
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