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Newme wrote: December 17th, 2020, 9:57 pm
Greta wrote: November 23rd, 2020, 10:38 pm



Pretty insulting from one who no doubt exclusively gets her media from limited sources. No, I'm not following a script, I am following science and logic.

Have you noted that the US COVID death rate is over double that of Canada? https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir ... meAdUOA?Si

I wonder if a POTUS playing politics with a national crisis in a way I've not seen in my lifetime could be a factor? Like widening societal divisions at every opportunity? Spreading false information. Or openly flouting recommended risk management measures and encouraging his disciples to follow suit?

It's not all about masks. Maybe it's not a great idea to encourage thousands of people to gather at close quarters to hear their cult leader speak? And maskless. If you don't like masks, it's foolhardy to gather in close quarters with maskless people during a pandemic that will fairly soon have claimed one hundred times the lives lost on 9/11. This is basic risk management. So, if someone is vulnerable and not well suited to mask wearing, then they need to keep to themselves as much as possible.

I don't like masks either and struggle to breathe with them. I have worn them about twice since all this began, once in a doctor's surgery because it was required. So I have been rigorous about keeping my distance, but I have been lucky enough to be able to do that. Many are not. There is no optimal answer but it's clear that Trump has employed a less organised, cohesive and effective approach than seen in many developing countries. It is a sad fall for a nation that not so long ago lead the world.
Covid deaths have been misrepresented. Italy study found 99% of supposed “covid deaths” were actually due to other pre-existing factors. It’s like the flu - people already really sick can die of it.
Can't wait to hear the excuse for why ICUs are full in Los Angeles. It's all media hype!
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Lucky,
As multiple doctors have explained, for several months, when anti-constitutional lockdowns started - hospitals were empty. Most people were scared of getting needed help. Some died, others put it off... until finally things opened up more & that created hospitals to be busier.

California Doctors were censored for speaking facts that went against media lies... ‪https://youtu.be/xfLVxx_lBLU‬
https://www.bitchute.com/video/X48ntH3XvyNK/‬
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Lucky,
Sorry, the 2nd clip wasn’t good either. You can look up Dr. Daniel Erickson.

Also, consider this:

“At least 42 hospitals across the U.S. have closed or entered bankruptcy this year, and the financial challenges caused by the COVID-19 pandemic may force more hospitals to do the same in coming months.”
https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/f ... -year.html
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LuckyR wrote: December 27th, 2020, 2:58 am
Newme wrote: December 17th, 2020, 9:57 pm

Covid deaths have been misrepresented. Italy study found 99% of supposed “covid deaths” were actually due to other pre-existing factors. It’s like the flu - people already really sick can die of it.
Can't wait to hear the excuse for why ICUs are full in Los Angeles. It's all media hype!
Yes, those patients must all be pretending - might they all be out-of-work actors hired by Hillary Clinton? :)
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Greta wrote: December 30th, 2020, 4:46 pm
LuckyR wrote: December 27th, 2020, 2:58 am

Can't wait to hear the excuse for why ICUs are full in Los Angeles. It's all media hype!
Yes, those patients must all be pretending - might they all be out-of-work actors hired by Hillary Clinton? :)
There have been crackpot/deniers forever, nothing new here. The new thing is conspiracy theories getting worldwide audiences of the gullible. No worries, more vaccine for everyone else...
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LuckyR wrote: December 31st, 2020, 1:26 am
Greta wrote: December 30th, 2020, 4:46 pm
Yes, those patients must all be pretending - might they all be out-of-work actors hired by Hillary Clinton? :)
There have been crackpot/deniers forever, nothing new here. The new thing is conspiracy theories getting worldwide audiences of the gullible. No worries, more vaccine for everyone else...
Good point. If there's not enough for everyone, then it can just go to those who want it.
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Greta wrote: December 31st, 2020, 1:42 am
LuckyR wrote: December 31st, 2020, 1:26 am

There have been crackpot/deniers forever, nothing new here. The new thing is conspiracy theories getting worldwide audiences of the gullible. No worries, more vaccine for everyone else...
Good point. If there's not enough for everyone, then it can just go to those who want it.
You don't want to be the last vulnerable person vaccinated before herd immunity.
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Thankfully, I had covid & am actually immune. Even if I hadn’t, I wouldn’t take the covid vaccine poison. I’m not against vaccines generally but flu & covid don’t make sense after researching.

Covid “vaccine” involves multiple risk as it interferes with RNA. Rushed trials reported that 80% had negative side effects of the covid vaccine.

At least 271 deaths, 9,845 adverse events after COVID vaccination so far: CDC data
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/at-le ... r-cdc-data
And it’s just started!
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Newme wrote:Rushed trials reported that 80% had negative side effects of the covid vaccine.
I personally know of about 20 family and friends who have so far taken the Pfizer/BioNTech or Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccines. No adverse side effects reported so far, but I'll keep you posted.
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More of my family and friends have now been vaccinated. Still no adverse side effects.
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Steve3007 wrote: February 19th, 2021, 6:16 am More of my family and friends have now been vaccinated. Still no adverse side effects.
Most folks I know (including myself) felt lousy, took some Tylenol which got rid of it. No big deal, but that qualifies as an "adverse effect".
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LuckyR wrote:Most folks I know (including myself) felt lousy, took some Tylenol which got rid of it. No big deal, but that qualifies as an "adverse effect".
That's interesting. As I say, nobody I know has reported any side effects at all. For example I drove my mother-in-law (to be) to the local health centre to get a drive-thru jab, it must be about a month ago now, and she had no side effects at all. My own mother had it and was even slightly worried that she hadn't felt any side effects, fearing that meant the vaccine wasn't doing its job! Maybe it's because of different vaccines. Which one did you take?

Anyway, when my turn comes (probably some time in the next couple of months or so) I'll see how it affects me.
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Steve3007 wrote: February 19th, 2021, 4:02 pm
LuckyR wrote:Most folks I know (including myself) felt lousy, took some Tylenol which got rid of it. No big deal, but that qualifies as an "adverse effect".
That's interesting. As I say, nobody I know has reported any side effects at all. For example I drove my mother-in-law (to be) to the local health centre to get a drive-thru jab, it must be about a month ago now, and she had no side effects at all. My own mother had it and was even slightly worried that she hadn't felt any side effects, fearing that meant the vaccine wasn't doing its job! Maybe it's because of different vaccines. Which one did you take?

Anyway, when my turn comes (probably some time in the next couple of months or so) I'll see how it affects me.
I got the Pfizer, though I have heard the same from the Moderna. BTW it about doubles in duration for the second dose.
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LuckyR wrote:I got the Pfizer, though I have heard the same from the Moderna.
OK. People I know have had either the Pfizer/BioNTech or Oxford/AstraZeneca. Mostly the latter. Nobody I know has had the Moderna. Not sure if it's being used here.
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On the original theme of the topic:

Where I live, the plan now is for all adults who want it to have received the vaccine by the end of July and for something pretty close to normal economic and social life to resume by mid June. I'm planning to visit various relatives starting in perhaps May. So I think here, at least, social distancing can probably all but disappear by summer but it's still sensible for most people to keep wearing masks in crowded places after that, as was the norm for many people in Asia-Pacific countries before Covid-19. It wasn't the norm here, and therefore felt odd, but it's rapidly become completely unremarkable, and it has relatively little cost in terms of the functioning of society.

I suspect that there will be a little bit of what might be called hysteresis (a tendency not to spring entirely back to the previous state) regarding working from home. It seems to have taken this crisis to force us to make full use of technology there.
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