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Arjen wrote: October 16th, 2020, 3:46 am
Marvin_Edwards wrote: October 15th, 2020, 10:48 pm You mean the problem that we are insane? Not sure what we can do about that. Like I said, things will get better if we have Democrats in charge.
We should not get off topic too much, because this topic is about comparing democracies to see if either can improve.

However, I do like to say that I don't think things will get better by voting Biden. There is a China collusion going on and, the news is not unbiased anymore, as specified here:
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"Beijing is buying up media outlets and training scores of foreign journalists to ‘tell China’s story well’ – as part of a worldwide propaganda campaign of astonishing scope and ambition."

It would only mean that the news will pretend everything is ok again, because Biden will bend over, where Trump doesn't.
Don't get me wrong: Trump is not a good choice, but in this day and age, his stubborn behaviour is a terribly important thing. He is one of the very few leaders standing between the CCP and a world communist revolution. And, what is worse: people have no clue this is going on.

So, a vote for Biden is a vote for totalitarianism (in a communist "anti"racist jacket). But don't worry, if you vote for Biden, the news will tell you that you made the right choice.
I saw Biden's Town Hall yesterday, and he has a good handle on the issues with a ton of experience to back him up. He is a decent person trying to make things better for everyone. I don't know where you're getting your fairy tales about Biden from.
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From Biden's emails. Plus, the fact tbat the media are covering it up tells tales. The relations Hunter is getting money from are part of the Chinese military. Huawei is also related and:
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/d ... xi-jinping
"Beijing is buying up media outlets and training scores of foreign journalists to ‘tell China’s story well’ – as part of a worldwide propaganda campaign of astonishing scope and ambition."

This is where are all the fake news and Trump bashing is coming from.
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"I don't know where you're getting your fairy tales about Biden from."
It's just the the usual Russian and neo-con troll fare. Even Bill Barr had to admit they could find no legitimate dirt on Hunter Biden, which is why Trump is not talking about him.
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No, it's in the news. Just not in the USA. It's from H. Biden's emails. And I don't even tnin Q Anon actually exists....
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Something about current Dutch politics:

How much money should the Dutch state give the members of the royal family (pocketmoney they call it)?
According to the prime minister we could debate if that money shoukd go up or down and that opinions vary on that. Some would say more and some less. It went up in these economically hard times.
While everyone else said it should go down, down, down and then down some more. In fact, down until he cone to work in a 2nd hand Mazda. Then we could discuss it going up a tiny bit. Maybe.

Each country has it's issues.
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It['s a well known fact that Mark Rutte (prime minister of the Netherlands) is mamber of the Chinese Communist party. Why else would he insist that all of his formal comminications should be written in Chinese? That waxy red coating on Edam Cheese is symbolic of Dutch Communism, which is funded by and pays homage to their masters in Beijing.

What is a "Dutch treat"? What does "going Dutch" mean? Well, if you ask me, a Dutch treat is no treat at all, and if "going Dutch" isn't a form of Communism I don't know what is!

Don't get me started about Dutch politics! What does "getting someone in Dutch" mean? Trouble, baby, trouble!

It's been well established in the press that Mark Rutte has played over 7200 rounds of golf since becoming Prime Minister. Is this the kind of leadership a supposedly civilized country demands!?

OK, I have nothing in principle against tulips, but if you knew the truth about the communal tulip farms south of Rotterdam, you would never smell a tulip again.
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Ecurb wrote: October 17th, 2020, 9:38 pm It['s a well known fact that Mark Rutte (prime minister of the Netherlands) is mamber of the Chinese Communist party. Why else would he insist that all of his formal comminications should be written in Chinese? That waxy red coating on Edam Cheese is symbolic of Dutch Communism, which is funded by and pays homage to their masters in Beijing.

What is a "Dutch treat"? What does "going Dutch" mean? Well, if you ask me, a Dutch treat is no treat at all, and if "going Dutch" isn't a form of Communism I don't know what is!

Don't get me started about Dutch politics! What does "getting someone in Dutch" mean? Trouble, baby, trouble!

It's been well established in the press that Mark Rutte has played over 7200 rounds of golf since becoming Prime Minister. Is this the kind of leadership a supposedly civilized country demands!?

OK, I have nothing in principle against tulips, but if you knew the truth about the communal tulip farms south of Rotterdam, you would never smell a tulip again.
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Sculptor1: "What you really need is to end Presidential power and devolve power to the House of Rs and the Senate."

If the senate would actuallly fulfill it's constitutional duty to curb executive authority rather than just rubber stamp all of Trump's edicts, we could have a democratic government - that and get all the dark money out of politics.

Arjen: "Don't get me wrong: Trump is not a good choice, but in this day and age, his stubborn behaviour is a terribly important thing. He is one of the very few leaders standing between the CCP and a world communist revolution."

Hardly, Trump is only in it for the power and money, could care less about democratic principles and the Chinese government's totalitarian tactics and in fact seeks to apply them in the US. That's why he has done nothing to help the Hong Kong dissidents or the Chinese Uyghurs, although the latter is to be expected since he considers all Muslims to be potential terrorists.
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1) A middle man is confirming the Biden China collusion. It is not a Russian ploy, you gulloble people. Worry about how the media is censoring this!
2) Yes, Rutte semms more and more like a good car salesman: talking fast and leaving people confused after taking their money. Elections are in March.
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Ecurb wrote: October 17th, 2020, 9:38 pm OK, I have nothing in principle against tulips, but if you knew the truth about the communal tulip farms south of Rotterdam, you would never smell a tulip again.
Psst, the tulip farms are all north of Amsterdam..
Plus, there is no horrifying fact there.
If you think there is, spell it out!
Sources!
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Arjen wrote:@Syamsu How do you know so much about Dutch politics?
Because he's from the Netherlands. He's been on this site, on and off, for many years with precisely the same message to tell us for all of that time (about "choosing" and people who supposedly deny its existence who are therefore Marxists.). I know two is a very small sample size, but what is it with you guys? Does it have anything to do with the coffee shops?
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Wait, he is saying the same things I do?
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Arjen wrote:Wait, he is saying the same things I do?
Only to the extent that he talks about Marxism, communism and fascism quite a lot. His central theme is that lots people deny the existence of choosing, and therefore characterize human activities as forced by causality. He sees this as the root of some of the classic examples of evil that people usually cite in world history. If he believed that Joe Biden, the EU, the MSM and the CCP denied the existence of choosing you might find some common ground (aside from geographically).
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Steve3007 wrote: October 19th, 2020, 6:12 am Only to the extent that he talks about Marxism, communism and fascism quite a lot. His central theme is that lots people deny the existence of choosing, and therefore characterize human activities as forced by causality. He sees this as the root of some of the classic examples of evil that people usually cite in world history. If he believed that Joe Biden, the EU, the MSM and the CCP denied the existence of choosing you might find some common ground (aside from geographically).
Many people deny free will, or redefine free will to make it use a logic of being forced (compatibilism). And even those people who say to affirm free will (creationists), only a tiny percentage of them accept that choice is an actual reality of physics.

Arjen seems to be a socialist, no way he accepts chouce is real.
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Syamsu wrote:Arjen seems to be a socialist, no way he accepts chouce is real.
Arjen, if you can convince him you're not a socialist (perhaps by pointing to some of your stuff about how the CCP controls everything) I think this could be the beginning of a beautiful friendship.
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