Should we allow US exceptionalism?

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Re: Should we allow US exceptionalism?

Post by Pattern-chaser » January 23rd, 2021, 8:48 am

Sculptor1 wrote:
January 23rd, 2021, 6:52 am
Pattern-chaser wrote:
January 21st, 2021, 10:32 am
This topic's OP aims us at the illegal acts of the US in the world. Recent changes mean that the US has returned from ego-fuelled gangsterism to the extreme right-wing Predatory Capitalism we've come to expect. I imagine this will mean that US actions will also return to their previous, er, dubious morality?
Extreme right wing capitalism is the essence of the USA. Nothing is going to change that, until exteme domestic poverty causes people to wake up and engange with the political process. We have seen how they can engage.
Sadly they engaged by pouring religious adulation upon the very type of person that was tha cause of their problems.
I feel that in a world of social media and mass communication the size of the USA is way beyond a critical mass of population for anything useful to emerge from the political process.
I think sensible policies over COVID could bring a halt to the death rates. But the future is bleak for the greed orientated society that the US represents.
Yes, indeed. Their universal devotion to their Gods - money/profit/commerce and libertarianism (Individualism) - means that their 'liberals' and 'conservatives' look the same to us. Their individualism prevents them from acting together, as one people, in the face of something like the Covid pandemic. Their greed prevents them from acting against climate-change, which requires us all to consume LESS, which is anathema to the fundamental tenets of American Culture. Their future (and ours, given their global dominance) is indeed bleak.
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Re: Should we allow US exceptionalism?

Post by Sculptor1 » January 23rd, 2021, 9:07 am

Pattern-chaser wrote:
January 23rd, 2021, 8:48 am
Sculptor1 wrote:
January 23rd, 2021, 6:52 am


Extreme right wing capitalism is the essence of the USA. Nothing is going to change that, until exteme domestic poverty causes people to wake up and engange with the political process. We have seen how they can engage.
Sadly they engaged by pouring religious adulation upon the very type of person that was tha cause of their problems.
I feel that in a world of social media and mass communication the size of the USA is way beyond a critical mass of population for anything useful to emerge from the political process.
I think sensible policies over COVID could bring a halt to the death rates. But the future is bleak for the greed orientated society that the US represents.
Yes, indeed. Their universal devotion to their Gods - money/profit/commerce and libertarianism (Individualism) - means that their 'liberals' and 'conservatives' look the same to us. Their individualism prevents them from acting together, as one people, in the face of something like the Covid pandemic. Their greed prevents them from acting against climate-change, which requires us all to consume LESS, which is anathema to the fundamental tenets of American Culture. Their future (and ours, given their global dominance) is indeed bleak.
There is a glimmer of hope.
Trump with his usual "J" is for genius suspended funding to WHO in the middle of the greatest pandemic for 100 years. Biden has already restored it.
And despite mountains of criticism Biden has also resigned the Paris Accord on Climate change.

I saw a tweet today from Ted Cruz, who has accused Biden of caring more about "the citizens of Paris" that the people of Texas and their jobs. The stupidity is astounding. As if the Paris accord has anything to do with Parisiens? Maybe his constituents are that stupid?

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Re: Should we allow US exceptionalism?

Post by Pattern-chaser » January 23rd, 2021, 9:40 am

Sculptor1 wrote:
January 23rd, 2021, 9:07 am
There is a glimmer of hope.
Trump with his usual "J" is for genius suspended funding to WHO in the middle of the greatest pandemic for 100 years. Biden has already restored it.
But what will stop Americans from using their beloved guns to prevent the Evil State from 'poisoning' them and their fellow citizens with their vaccines? They have their Constitutional rights, you know? If you don't, they will tell you, loudly and clearly. 🙄


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January 23rd, 2021, 9:07 am
And despite mountains of criticism Biden has also resigned the Paris Accord on Climate change.
But he still won't be able to do what is necessary. Every aspect of our fight against climate-change and global-warming is anti-American at the most fundamental level. American Culture can only exist if consumption continues to grow hugely and rapidly.


Sculptor1 wrote:
January 23rd, 2021, 9:07 am
I saw a tweet today from Ted Cruz, who has accused Biden of caring more about "the citizens of Paris" that the people of Texas and their jobs. The stupidity is astounding. As if the Paris accord has anything to do with Parisiens? Maybe his constituents are that stupid?
Well, many of them voted for Trump...?
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Re: Should we allow US exceptionalism?

Post by Sculptor1 » January 23rd, 2021, 6:20 pm

Pattern-chaser wrote:
January 23rd, 2021, 9:40 am
Sculptor1 wrote:
January 23rd, 2021, 9:07 am
There is a glimmer of hope.
Trump with his usual "J" is for genius suspended funding to WHO in the middle of the greatest pandemic for 100 years. Biden has already restored it.
But what will stop Americans from using their beloved guns to prevent the Evil State from 'poisoning' them and their fellow citizens with their vaccines? They have their Constitutional rights, you know? If you don't, they will tell you, loudly and clearly. 🙄


Sculptor1 wrote:
January 23rd, 2021, 9:07 am
And despite mountains of criticism Biden has also resigned the Paris Accord on Climate change.
But he still won't be able to do what is necessary. Every aspect of our fight against climate-change and global-warming is anti-American at the most fundamental level. American Culture can only exist if consumption continues to grow hugely and rapidly.


Sculptor1 wrote:
January 23rd, 2021, 9:07 am
I saw a tweet today from Ted Cruz, who has accused Biden of caring more about "the citizens of Paris" that the people of Texas and their jobs. The stupidity is astounding. As if the Paris accord has anything to do with Parisiens? Maybe his constituents are that stupid?
Well, many of them voted for Trump...?
I said "glimmer".

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Re: Should we allow US exceptionalism?

Post by Gertie » January 29th, 2021, 6:12 pm

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I saw a tweet today from Ted Cruz, who has accused Biden of caring more about "the citizens of Paris" that the people of Texas and their jobs. The stupidity is astounding. As if the Paris accord has anything to do with Parisiens? Maybe his constituents are that stupid?
I saw that. Unbelievable lol. The contempt these Republican elites hold for their followers is so blatant it's mind-boggling they get away with it. They presumably know exactly what knee-jerk tribalistic buttons to press now to by-pass any thought, it worked so well for Trump.

But there has to be an element of willing suspension of disbelief in people who respond to this obvious ********, some active casting aside of adult responsibility in them too, a willingness to be infantilised because it feeds some need. That's what we need to understand and get a handle on, so we can counteract it.

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Re: Should we allow US exceptionalism?

Post by Robert66 » February 18th, 2021, 4:56 pm

The Viking styled horned fur hat of Jake Angeli symbolises this issue for me. When asked, 100% of US Americans will tell you they believe in the sanctity of freedom above all. When freedom is your heart's desire, and your guiding priciple, there is no limit to what you might do. Living as a Viking is even an option, increasingly appealing to many as their world becomes less appealing, and their lives seem to be constrained by crooked politicians serving a nanny state. The "game is rigged" and citizens have the democratic right to remove a government by whatever necessary means (even Ragnarok). The US is exceptional - disallowing this would be like disallowing the rain. Besides, who is the "we" referred to in the OP's question? The rest of the world are to unite in disallowing US exceptionalism?

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