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1 an active shooter,
2 with an AR15 type weapon
3 who has killed ten people
4 including a police officer
can capture him, walk him into custody, yet somehow can't address an unarmed black man who passed a bogus $20 bill without killing him.
Similarly, white guy shoots eight in the Atlanta area... captured without incident.
What happened to: "I feared for my life".
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No comment necessary..LuckyR wrote: ↑March 26th, 2021, 2:57 am Yet again we have a rampaging shooter, this time at a supermarket. I'm not interested in discussing gun control, rather why police officers can confront:
1 an active shooter,
2 with an AR15 type weapon
3 who has killed ten people
4 including a police officer
can capture him, walk him into custody, yet somehow can't address an unarmed black man who passed a bogus $20 bill without killing him.
Similarly, white guy shoots eight in the Atlanta area... captured without incident.
What happened to: "I feared for my life".
I take it that the shooters were not black?
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Correct, they didn't have what appears to be the most significant predictor for being killed by the police.Sculptor1 wrote: ↑March 26th, 2021, 11:39 amNo comment necessary..LuckyR wrote: ↑March 26th, 2021, 2:57 am Yet again we have a rampaging shooter, this time at a supermarket. I'm not interested in discussing gun control, rather why police officers can confront:
1 an active shooter,
2 with an AR15 type weapon
3 who has killed ten people
4 including a police officer
can capture him, walk him into custody, yet somehow can't address an unarmed black man who passed a bogus $20 bill without killing him.
Similarly, white guy shoots eight in the Atlanta area... captured without incident.
What happened to: "I feared for my life".
I take it that the shooters were not black?
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"Who cares, wins"
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Gays, witchs and foreigners too have all had to suffer from this othering.Pattern-chaser wrote: ↑March 26th, 2021, 1:28 pm I can't see there's anything to disagree about in this. In the US, DWB - or merely existing while also possessing black skin - is a capital offence, executed (!) by any police officer - or concerned citizen? - who passes. "I feared for my life" is a defence akin to the 'gay panic' defence that was accepted, until recently, in Australia. According to the data, US cops simply hate black people so much they feel obliged to kill them whenever they can get away with it, and sometimes even when they can't. They will never be punished for it, after all.
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A dominant part of society at one time has declared the above mentioned lack value so are justifiably destroyed. Be on the safe side and make sure you are declared to have value."When once a certain class of people has been placed by the temporal and spiritual authorities outside the ranks of those whose life has value, then nothing comes more naturally to men than murder." ~ Simone Weil
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I strongly suspect the different kinds of arrest were not carried out by the same team of police officers.LuckyR wrote: ↑March 26th, 2021, 2:57 am Yet again we have a rampaging shooter, this time at a supermarket. I'm not interested in discussing gun control, rather why police officers can confront:
1 an active shooter,
2 with an AR15 type weapon
3 who has killed ten people
4 including a police officer
can capture him, walk him into custody, yet somehow can't address an unarmed black man who passed a bogus $20 bill without killing him.
Similarly, white guy shoots eight in the Atlanta area... captured without incident.
What happened to: "I feared for my life".
Statistically, yes, more crimes are committed by police against minorities than against the dominant population. But if you look at the records of individual officers, some have never mishandled, let alone abused, a suspect, while some others have a dozen complaints against again before they finally kill somebody.
Some police forces have an internal culture of discrimination against specific groups of citizens, or even a systemic hostile attitude toward the citizenry at large. Such police departments tend to discourage their members giving evidence one against another, cover up complaints from the public, close ranks against criticism and resist reform.
Whether a police force is run well or badly depends on the municipal administration, the makeup of which is determined by the voters. Whatever the prevailing attitude of the police, it reflects that of the most influential citizens first and majority of voters second - and of course, the style of policing, as well as as law-making and law-breaking invariably reflects the culture at large.
Fractured nations have broken judicial systems.
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How might the balance of political power be redistributed so as to take cognisance ofAlias wrote: ↑March 27th, 2021, 4:38 amI strongly suspect the different kinds of arrest were not carried out by the same team of police officers.LuckyR wrote: ↑March 26th, 2021, 2:57 am Yet again we have a rampaging shooter, this time at a supermarket. I'm not interested in discussing gun control, rather why police officers can confront:
1 an active shooter,
2 with an AR15 type weapon
3 who has killed ten people
4 including a police officer
can capture him, walk him into custody, yet somehow can't address an unarmed black man who passed a bogus $20 bill without killing him.
Similarly, white guy shoots eight in the Atlanta area... captured without incident.
What happened to: "I feared for my life".
Statistically, yes, more crimes are committed by police against minorities than against the dominant population. But if you look at the records of individual officers, some have never mishandled, let alone abused, a suspect, while some others have a dozen complaints against again before they finally kill somebody.
Some police forces have an internal culture of discrimination against specific groups of citizens, or even a systemic hostile attitude toward the citizenry at large. Such police departments tend to discourage their members giving evidence one against another, cover up complaints from the public, close ranks against criticism and resist reform.
Whether a police force is run well or badly depends on the municipal administration, the makeup of which is determined by the voters. Whatever the prevailing attitude of the police, it reflects that of the most influential citizens first and majority of voters second - and of course, the style of policing, as well as as law-making and law-breaking invariably reflects the culture at large.
Fractured nations have broken judicial systems.
(quoted by Nick-A)"When once a certain class of people has been placed by the temporal and spiritual authorities outside the ranks of those whose life has value, then nothing comes more naturally to men than murder." ~ Simone Weil
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Then please enlighten us by clarifying what is propaganda and what is not?
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Yes, police officers are human, or Human-American as it is said over there. And many Human-Americans hate black people enough to kill them if given the opportunity. Some of the haters become police officers. Happily, some of the non-haters do too, but that doesn't take away from the basic problem. Hate-mongers in America are given civil authority and access to guns; bad move.Alias wrote: ↑March 27th, 2021, 4:38 am Statistically, yes, more crimes are committed by police against minorities than against the dominant population. But if you look at the records of individual officers, some have never mishandled, let alone abused, a suspect, while some others have a dozen complaints against again before they finally kill somebody.
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Oh yes, but there is quite a lot more to the situation. Where are the army and police recruited from? What is the command structure of these organizations? Who controls them, according to what principle and by what means?Pattern-chaser wrote: ↑March 27th, 2021, 9:52 am Yes, police officers are human, or Human-American as it is said over there. And many Human-Americans hate black people enough to kill them if given the opportunity. Some of the haters become police officers. Happily, some of the non-haters do too, but that doesn't take away from the basic problem. Hate-mongers in America are given civil authority and access to guns; bad move.
There is the militarization of police - bad move, and on-going. The divide between the police and the people it's meant to serve and protect - bad move. The politicization of jurisprudence - very bad move. The confrontationalism and factional hostility of the entire culture - terrible move. The chasmic and deepening disparity of wealth and privilege, which is down to the monetization of everydamnthing - not so much a move as a state of the disunion. And the devil's bargain of the original federation, followed by the horrible move of enshrining the sequelae of that fatal flaw as the iconic event of the nation's history.
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This Non-American has no idea of the events (?) you're talking about here. Please clarify? Thanks.
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US History: Leaving aside the devastation of environment in frontier-building (which itself forms the basis of American folklore), the mad, violent scramble for more territory (which ensured a perpetual tension with all Spanish-speaking colonies south of the US border) and the subjugation of Native populations (which featured in popular entertainment and child-play well into the 1960's), let's just go to the main events.Pattern-chaser wrote: ↑March 27th, 2021, 10:38 amThis Non-American has no idea of the events (?) you're talking about here. Please clarify? Thanks.
1. In order to form a more perfect --- well, really any union at all --- the founding fathers made that diabolical deal: slavery OK up to the Mason-Dixon line https://www.britannica.com/place/Mason-and-Dixon-Line hence the forever designation of "Dixieland" for those benighted regions; no slavery to the north of it.
2. The same political philosophers who embraced the equality of all men went on to write a constitution which denied the franchise to most men and all women.
2. Pushing westward, the contention of cheap labour, free labour, imported labour and captive labour continued, finally erupting in the Great and Glorious American Civil War - the single most celebrated debacle in their history.
3. The victorious North failed miserably in its reconstruction efforts, allowing opportunists from both north and south to batten on the 600,000+ dead soldiers, ruined farmers, and unemployed ex-slaves. The defeated South plunged into a bottomless state of denial and impotent defiance.
(The Civil War started in the War of Independence, much as WWII started in WWI.
It hasn't been resolved; they're still bleeding on it.)
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I have answered this and somehow seem to have lost the answer.Belindi wrote: ↑March 27th, 2021, 7:25 am
How might the balance of political power be redistributed so as to take cognisance of
(quoted by Nick-A)"When once a certain class of people has been placed by the temporal and spiritual authorities outside the ranks of those whose life has value, then nothing comes more naturally to men than murder." ~ Simone Weil
More like Biden-Harris
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/26/us/p ... orgia.html
and more like the New Your Times than the Sinclair group
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