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Who do you want to have access to significantly more powerful guns and weaponry: cops or citizens?

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Who do you want to have access to significantly more powerful guns and weaponry: cops or citizens?

Equality: I want citizens to have the same access to guns as cops under the same general conditions for each (e.g. similar safety training, background checks, minimum age requirements, etc.)
7
54%
Cops Armed; Citizens Disarmed: I want cops and government agents to have access to more powerful guns than similarly trained and similarly qualified citizens.
5
38%
Cops Disarmed; Citizens Armed: I want trained citizens to have have access to more powerful guns than similarly trained cops.
1
8%
 
Total votes: 13

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Re: Who do you want to have access to significantly more powerful guns and weaponry: cops or citizens?

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ernestm wrote: January 19th, 2022, 3:03 pm Well frankly it seems to me the entire argument is misdirected. As to what people 'want,' there is what we 'can do' and what we 'should do.' What we can do is defined by rights in law, and is mistaken for what we should do. What we should do is [...]
I disagree. For reference, I am the OP (Original Poster).

This topic is explicitly and intentionally not about what "should" be done or "ought" to be done, whatever such things mean.

Thus, any mentions or arguments about 'shoulds' or 'oughts' are misdirected/off-topic.

The Original Post contains some very specific points and asks some clear understandable specific questions, none of which have anything to do with 'shoulds' or 'oughts'.

That is, of course, because I don't believe in 'shoulds' and 'oughts'. More on that can be found in my following topics:


- There is no "Is-Ought Problem" because there is no 'ought'.

- Do you agree there is no problem of evil?

- The Clarity of Amorality

- How Unassertiveness Leads to Aggression and the Illusion of 'Shoulds' and 'Oughts'

- Man Is Not Fit to Govern Man: My Philosophy of Non-Violence, Self-Government, Self-Discipline, and Spiritual Freedom
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"The mind is a wonderful servant but a terrible master."

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Re: Who do you want to have access to significantly more powerful guns and weaponry: cops or citizens?

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I believe that neither the police nor citizens should have powerful guns and weaponry. If citizens and criminals cannot obtain these powerful weapons then the police would have no need to have them either. There have been 35 mass shootings in the U.S. so far this calendar year. When does this senseless killing of innocent people end?

Citizens that claim they have a constitutional right to these guns are misinterpreting the Bill of Rights. People can protect their property and families with non-automatic pistols and rifles, hunters do not need automatic weapons since they see hunting as a sport and therefore the animals should have a fighting chance. If a hunter can shoot a deer with a non-automatic rifle, then so be it but don't waste the animal, either prepare it as food or give it to a shelter to feed the homeless. To kill large animals with no intention of using the animal for food then they should be stopped. Countries that have banned automatic weapons do not have the mass killings that we have in the U.S.
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mrlefty0706 wrote: January 25th, 2023, 3:24 am I believe that neither the police nor citizens should have powerful guns and weaponry.
I think we both agree then with the 3-answer poll question, in that it sounds like we both chose option #1: "Equality: I want citizens to have the same access to guns as cops under the same general conditions for each (e.g. similar safety training, background checks, minimum age requirements, etc.)"

Thank you for your reply! :)
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Re: Who do you want to have access to significantly more powerful guns and weaponry: cops or citizens?

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Ideally, we wouldn’t need to have more and more powerful weapons. Since we do, weapons, along with safety training should be available to all. If one group had more access than the other, they would take advantage.
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