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Re: Texas, Afghanistan, the Taliban, and Women's Rights

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Pattern-chaser wrote: September 7th, 2021, 9:04 am Just ask the good people of Scunthorpe. 😉
I think it's just on the other side of Mudchute...
Pattern-chaser wrote: September 7th, 2021, 9:38 am Setting aside women's rights - just briefly! - I have always found it odd that the words we are appalled to find in print refer to physical love, whereas the trappings of terrifying violence are glorified and widely publicised, uncensored....
My high school (a Catholic high school) had a team name of The Bombers, and still has it today. I always thought this was appalling, to glorify the killing of innocent civilians from a mile in the sky. You would think that the Christian values they allegedly teach would include standing against killing, especially in the style of bombing civilians.
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UniversalAlien wrote:

President Biden, in a statement last week, slammed the Texas law as “an unprecedented assault on a woman’s constitutional rights.” He pointed to the law’s provision allowing citizens to sue those who violate the statute, saying “complete strangers will now be empowered to inject themselves in the most private and personal health decisions faced by women.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/06/us/t ... rland.html


The facts speak for themselves - The new Texas standard for abortion rivals the Taliban for treating women as dis-empowered entities subject to repression and deputizing the public to engage in a 'Witch Hunt' to stop abortions is unprecedented for modern Western Law - Afghanistan has some historical excuses. But then again so does Texas and its anti-progressive, anti-American agendas.
Maybe it should be called Conservative Regressivism - The philosophy that advocates setting Civilization backwards

But most of all people you must have faith - Faith that an entire state {Texas] is not controlled by Neanderthals - that there a hidden intelligence we are all missing - And I found it :!:

"Authorities Worry New Texas Gun Law Will Increase Violence"
Texas authorities worry that having more people walking around armed will lead to more disagreements being settled through gunfire
"Texas' new law allowing most people to carry handguns in public without a permit or training came in part from the belief by many Texans that the best way to prevent crime and stop an armed bad guy is to make sure an armed good guy is nearby.

Gov. Greg Abbott and his Republican allies in the Legislature who this summer made Texas the largest state with a so-called permitless carry law pitched it as a way to let people more easily defend themselves without government interference......"

So you see man of little faith - See how the brilliant minds controlling the Texas Republic are not only protecting the unborn from zombie abortionist trying to steal their babies before they are born {as required by Texas law} - But in their great wisdom have now made it easy for these poor women to protect themselves from the zombie abortionists trying to steal their babes.

ALMOST EVERY PREGNANT WOMAN IN TEXAS CAN NOW CARRY A GUN UNTIL HER BABY IS BORN :!:

Say Hallelujah :!: and screw the United States Constitution - The Republic of Texas will rise again :?: :roll: :?:
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Pattern-chaser wrote: September 7th, 2021, 9:38 am Setting aside women's rights - just briefly! - I have always found it odd that the words we are appalled to find in print refer to physical love, whereas the trappings of terrifying violence are glorified and widely publicised, uncensored....
Can I give that a big thumbs up?
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UniversalAlien wrote: September 2nd, 2021, 7:42 pm Supposedly the Taliban, now apparently in charge of the nation of Afghanistan, do not treat women as equals - In fact they are accused of treating women as lesser entities that are there to do Man's bidding - They say they have changed and as long as it fits their concepts of what is known as Sharia Law, women can have relative rights.

Now in many ways Texas and the 'Christian right wing South' have similar rules - Women are equal except when it comes to reproductive rights which are owned by the state - A women's reproductive organs have been confiscated by the State of Texas so even if she is raped if she becomes pregnant she must have the child who is protected by the State of Texas - Who, in spite of the Constitution of the
United States functions under Christian Fundamentalist law.

Now I have two questions:
1. Is Texas part of the United States of America and functioning under the laws and Constitution of The United States of America, or is Texas an independent country functioning under Fundamentalist Christian law {America's Christian version of Moslem Sharia law} :?:

2. Is a woman today better off in Texas or Afghanistan - Or does it really matter :?:
My advice to the women of Texas; support the interests of your sisters and go to a more liberal state. Let the men depend on their right hand..
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Pattern-chaser wrote: September 7th, 2021, 9:38 am Setting aside women's rights - just briefly! - I have always found it odd that the words we are appalled to find in print refer to physical love, whereas the trappings of terrifying violence are glorified and widely publicised, uncensored....
Alias wrote: September 10th, 2021, 12:57 am Can I give that a big thumbs up?
Why not? Here's one I have to spare: 👍

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Count Lucanor wrote: September 2nd, 2021, 11:30 pm I'm all for women's rights, including the right to abortion. I'm all for the separation of church and state in Texas and Afghanistan, and I'm all against fundamentalists imposing their regressive beliefs in both places, but I must say that comparing Texas laws with Sharia law, even as reproductive rights have lost protection in many parts of USA, is a bit overstated.
In principle it is the same thing. Women are seen as not capable of deciding for themselves.
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Perhaps people willing to murder children should not be given the ability to choose.

Perhaps in another century, the practice of eating animal flesh will be so abhorrent that all of us will be remembered as backward savages.

The entire premise of this thread is to insult one side of the political isle by comparing them to something they themselves despise. It's no more intellectual than anti-vaxxers comparing Biden to Hitler.
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Sculptor1 wrote: September 10th, 2021, 12:17 pm In principle it is the same thing. Women are seen as not capable of deciding for themselves.
No, that's the cover-lie. Women are seen as a threat. They're smart, co-operative, organized and far-seeing. Once you stop subjugating them by physical force and legal sanction (barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen), they gain power, and if they gain power, the whole system will change. As it did in developed nations: the birth rate declines; tolerant, inclusive laws are introduced - next thing you know, they're coming for your guns, SUV's and cattle. Which is why the right wing resurgence of white-supremacist, Islamist, fundamentalist factions are so keen to subjugate them again.
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I find it tragically humorous that folks who don't want the state to regulate their bodies when it comes to Covid vaccines, feel perfectly comfortable with the state regulating pregnant women's bodies.
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Alias wrote: September 26th, 2021, 12:13 am
Sculptor1 wrote: September 10th, 2021, 12:17 pm In principle it is the same thing. Women are seen as not capable of deciding for themselves.
No, that's the cover-lie. Women are seen as a threat. They're smart, co-operative, organized and far-seeing. Once you stop subjugating them by physical force and legal sanction (barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen), they gain power, and if they gain power, the whole system will change. As it did in developed nations: the birth rate declines; tolerant, inclusive laws are introduced - next thing you know, they're coming for your guns, SUV's and cattle. Which is why the right wing resurgence of white-supremacist, Islamist, fundamentalist factions are so keen to subjugate them again.
That is not a valid response to my comment, which can only be understood in the context of the post it was a response to.

You do not seem capable of understanding the relevance of " Women are seen as", which is odd since you use the phrase yourslef.
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Let's not miss the deep philosophical questions, besides women's right to own their own body, this so-called 'right to life' issue raises :arrow:

They claim murder of poor defenseless babies who never asked to be born or conceived in the first place.

And then in their same mindless agendas swear before their magical god that they must defend these unwanted babies to preserve the rights of the unborn. :?: :!:

God {if there is one} save us from these excuses for Human intelligence - These baboons {I apologize to baboons} have become politicians, governors of some states {Texas, et al, and until 2020, one was even President of the US}. I stretch my imagination in an attempt to believe these so called 'right to lifers' really believe the crap they are trying to bury the world in. The Catholic Church has a long, long history of this and we can understand - But others, whether Christian or otherwise - Do they really believe in a divine right to bring unwanted life into the world :?:
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Sculptor1 wrote: September 26th, 2021, 5:13 am You do not seem capable of understanding the relevance of " Women are seen as", which is odd since you use the phrase yourslef.
You attach a special significance to "Women are seen as". Okay. Buy whom? The only people I see looking at women are men and other women. Each groups sees women, as a class, differently from the other. Women are seen by other women as potential allies or potential rivals and sometimes both. Men see women somewhat differently. No man I have ever met in real life actually believed women were incapable of making decisions, but many have bought chosen that cover-story to shore up their own importance and power. Which of those "Women are seen as" perspective am I failing to grasp?
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Alias wrote: September 29th, 2021, 1:09 am
Sculptor1 wrote: September 26th, 2021, 5:13 am You do not seem capable of understanding the relevance of " Women are seen as", which is odd since you use the phrase yourslef.
You attach a special significance to "Women are seen as". Okay. Buy whom? The only people I see looking at women are men and other women. Each groups sees women, as a class, differently from the other. Women are seen by other women as potential allies or potential rivals and sometimes both. Men see women somewhat differently. No man I have ever met in real life actually believed women were incapable of making decisions, but many have bought chosen that cover-story to shore up their own importance and power. Which of those "Women are seen as" perspective am I failing to grasp?
I can only suggest that you read again my response.
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U.S. judge blocks enforcement of near-total abortion ban in Texas

"This Court will not sanction one more day of this offensive deprivation of such an important right," Pitman said in the ruling.
"Tonight's ruling is an important step forward toward restoring the constitutional rights of women across the state of Texas," White House press secretary Jen Psaki said in statement late Wednesday. "The fight has only just begun, both in Texas and in many states across this country where women’s rights are currently under attack," she added.

Biden's Justice Department sued Texas on Sept. 9 and sought a temporary injunction against the law, arguing during an Oct. 1 hearing that the measure violates the U.S. Constitution.......
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-jud ... 021-10-07/


Well "Planet of the Apes" fans, 'its not over 'till its over' - Will intelligent Humans win out or will the right to life baboons
{again I apologize to baboons} triumph and turn women into slaves :?:

See: The Handmaid's Tale (Novel or TV series) :
In a world where fertility rates have collapsed as a result of sexually transmitted diseases and environmental pollution, the totalitarian, theonomic government of Gilead establishes rule in the former United States in the aftermath of a civil war. Society is organized by power-hungry leaders along with a new, militarized, hierarchical regime of religious fanaticism and newly created social classes, in which women are brutally subjugated. By law, women in Gilead are forced to work in very limited roles, including some as natal slaves, and they are not allowed to own property, have careers, handle money, or read.
These women, called Handmaids, are assigned to the homes of the ruling elite, where they must submit to ritualized rape (referred to as "the ceremony") by their male masters ("Commanders") in the presence of their wives, to be impregnated and bear children for them. Handmaids are given names created by the addition of the prefix Of- to the first name of the man who has them. When they are transferred, their names are changed.

Along with the Handmaids, much of society is now grouped into classes that dictate their freedoms and duties........
- Margaret Atwood's The Handmaid's Tale
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