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Climate Change (CC): How may you help him?

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What may you help CC? Note that I raise this topic under Philosophy of Politics, not Morality. Whether you help Mr. Climate or not is not a matter of right and wrong, at least as far as I am concerned. With due respect, I can appreciate what hinders you, and I would not label such hindrance or obstruction as excuse or avoidance. Also fine, if you do not believe in CC, or are waiting to be convinced. Some may accuse you of passing the buck to political leaders, big corporation, and government, but there is no denying that this anthill we call the global village is too large to handle and influence with you and me being a speck of dust in history.

I wish the debate here to be focused on what you can help him, if indeed you can. Never mind how insignificant your contribution can be. Just make a suggestion, with no commitment. Recall that the universe begins with nothing but dust and dirt, and that all of us are nothing but dust, except for a brief moment in time.

Having said all that, how about me? I have to say that I am very concerned about CC, even though it does not appear to adversely affect my interest in the short term, and not in the long term when I would be dead. A the risk of being accused of fear mongering, i have no hesitation to call CC a crisis, and i believe some world leaders in COP26 are genuine rather than putting up a show to entertain me. Worthy leaders, I say.

First thing I do would be to vote it with my vote, but that does not show up until the next election. Next I would vote it with my wallet. Carbon tax would be a small and worthy price to pay, as far as I am concerned. Thirdly, I would vote it with my feet, to walk even if I can drive to save precious minutes. Fourthly . . . Hey, I have already done that, by raising this topic to attract your attention and probably your brainstorm. Apparently you can do better than me.
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@gad-fly
Hello and good evening to Mr Climate Change. He's popped up again and, of course, he's very important and needy. So how should we help him? The leaders are meant to be thinking about him, but is that enough, and his wife, Gaia, should not be forgotten.

It does appear that certain countries may be more affected initially, such as India. Weather has become so unpredictable and, as I live in England, it is strange that this summer barely happened at all, while some people were experiencing heatwaves of a terrible nature. I felt grateful for a cool summer and it is hard to know how people will cope if temperatures continue to rise. Some believe that it is already too late to find a solution, so the question may be what will really be the ways to tackle the problem...?
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Mr Climate Change likes me to have shortened the sleeves of my coat so I can wear it comfortably indoors to keep myself warm.
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Yeah, but I was always told that if I don't take my coat off when I'm inside I won't feel the benefit when I go out again, where "feel the benefit" was one of those vague unexplained terms.

Anyway, couldn't you just roll the sleeves up? Cutting them off seems a bit drastic.
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Save energy and eat more veggies. Less greenhouse gas emissions and also helps our human body.
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Steve3007 wrote: November 10th, 2021, 7:11 am Yeah, but I was always told that if I don't take my coat off when I'm inside I won't feel the benefit when I go out again, where "feel the benefit" was one of those vague unexplained terms.

Anyway, couldn't you just roll the sleeves up? Cutting them off seems a bit drastic.
I often cut the sleeves off garments. I saw the legs off furniture too.
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Mr Climate Change likes wearing waistcoats because they can be worn under a coat outside. He says they are also very useful in the summer because they have usually have pockets if it is too warm to wear a jacket. He also recommends carrying a waterproof coat because sometimes it can be so warm and torrential rain comes out of nowhere. He often wears a cap in the rain but at times ends up looking a bit of a yob, so some may prefer to stick with umbrellas. The main thing is weather is so unpredictable and he reminds Gaia of this because he doesn't want her to get sick. Mr Climate Change worries so much.
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gad-fly wrote: November 9th, 2021, 6:50 pm First thing I do would be to vote it with my vote, but that does not show up until the next election.
In the UK, my choice (of who to vote for) is limited. Briefly, we had a socialist party, but they were destroyed by the billionaire-controlled media using 'anti-Semitism' smears and lies. 😠 So I shall vote Green, which is a vote against rampant CC, I suppose. Sadly, we have no Greta Thunberg Party.

Aside from that, I try to minimise my consumption of everything. "Minimise" is the key word there, not "everything".

I try to stop those little micro-consumptions that harm the environment (as everything does, to some extent) but do me no good. I turn off the tap (US: faucet) while I clean my teeth, rather than simply letting the water run away. I turn off the bathroom light when I leave the room. Tiny things like that achieve little ... but billions of such tiny efforts will have a noticeable (and therefore worthwhile) effect.

Micro-activism is nowhere near enough to save the planet, but it makes a small contribution, and it is without cost. 👍🙂
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@Pattern-chaser
I am glad to know that someone else is in the UK, and I feel that there is so little choice with voting. I have thought about voting for the green party but haven't done so far. That is because in my area they receive so few votes and it makes it seem a wasted vote. Also, as much as I am wishing to address climate change, I think that it cannot be separated from other aspects of life and political concerns.

I also think that 'tiny things' matter too. Some people are in positions of power and influence but it is probably true to say how each of us acts has some influence. This may involve recycling of waste and discussion of the whole way in which resources may be used with a view to Sustainability and the future of the planet. Perhaps, everything each one of us does matters as part of the contribution to the larger scheme.
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JackDaydream wrote: November 10th, 2021, 12:17 pm I have thought about voting for the green party but haven't done so far. That is because in my area they receive so few votes and it makes it seem a wasted vote.
Your vote is not "wasted" just because the Party you vote for isn't elected. Your view matters. It matters a little bit more if one has proportional representation, and I wish we could adopt such a system here. But your vote is never wasted. A vote is an opinion poll, and your opinion, and mine, are sought. Our real opinions, that is, not a half-truth proffered because no better course seemed to be available. 😉
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@Pattern-chaser
I guess that if everyone did tactical voting it would not get us anywhere. My only problem with the green party is that I am not sure how they would tackle some of the complex issues in the UK. I believe in the importance of life for future generations but don't believe that it can be separated entirely from imminent concerns. In a way, I think that everything is interconnected. But it may be that taking risks in voting for the green party is a worthy step and it may be about daring to make a stand against the norm.
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Pattern-chaser wrote: November 10th, 2021, 12:00 pm
gad-fly wrote: November 9th, 2021, 6:50 pm
First thing I do would be to vote it with my vote, but that does not show up until the next election.
Aside from that, I try to minimise my consumption of everything. "Minimise" is the key word there, not "everything".

I try to stop those little micro-consumptions that harm the environment (as everything does, to some extent) but do me no good. I turn off the tap (US: faucet) while I clean my teeth, rather than simply letting the water run away. I turn off the bathroom light when I leave the room. Tiny things like that achieve little ... but billions of such tiny efforts will have a noticeable (and therefore worthwhile) effect.

Micro-activism is nowhere near enough to save the planet, but it makes a small contribution, and it is without cost. 👍🙂
Refer to the character as 'Mr. Weather', not 'Mr. Weather Change'.

The debate on CC can be diverse. "How may you help?" is but the next stage to face the debacle, after the naysayers and those in denial have their say.

"Vote it with your vote" first come to my mind, but as I have said, I have to wait until the next election. Not entirely true, though, since movement can be mobilized before then. Furthermore, one does not vote on a singular issue. Your vote, say, would swing towards tackling CC. Fair enough? The more strongly you feel about CC, the more you would exercise your influence on others, and the more prepared you are to spend your time and effort to bring along action and trend against CC. How? I am listening what you have to say.
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@glad-fly
I am interested in your debate and the issue of climate change but I do wonder how much is in human control. Human beings may have messed up in the treatment of resources and this is a subject of ethics. However, to some extent, it may be about aspects of human existence beyond the superficial. We could ask to what extent can human beings control weather and nature? I am not wishing to dismiss ecology and the issue of climate change, but do think that it may go beyond the surfaces of political agendas in some ways, and relate to how humanity exists in relation to the rest of nature.
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gad-fly wrote: November 9th, 2021, 6:50 pm What may you help CC? Note that I raise this topic under Philosophy of Politics, not Morality. Whether you help Mr. Climate or not is not a matter of right and wrong, at least as far as I am concerned. With due respect, I can appreciate what hinders you, and I would not label such hindrance or obstruction as excuse or avoidance. Also fine, if you do not believe in CC, or are waiting to be convinced. Some may accuse you of passing the buck to political leaders, big corporation, and government, but there is no denying that this anthill we call the global village is too large to handle and influence with you and me being a speck of dust in history.

I wish the debate here to be focused on what you can help him, if indeed you can. Never mind how insignificant your contribution can be. Just make a suggestion, with no commitment. Recall that the universe begins with nothing but dust and dirt, and that all of us are nothing but dust, except for a brief moment in time.

Having said all that, how about me? I have to say that I am very concerned about CC, even though it does not appear to adversely affect my interest in the short term, and not in the long term when I would be dead. A the risk of being accused of fear mongering, i have no hesitation to call CC a crisis, and i believe some world leaders in COP26 are genuine rather than putting up a show to entertain me. Worthy leaders, I say.

First thing I do would be to vote it with my vote, but that does not show up until the next election. Next I would vote it with my wallet. Carbon tax would be a small and worthy price to pay, as far as I am concerned. Thirdly, I would vote it with my feet, to walk even if I can drive to save precious minutes. Fourthly . . . Hey, I have already done that, by raising this topic to attract your attention and probably your brainstorm. Apparently you can do better than me.
Given your exclusion of morality I can't see why I should care. Those - as you say - "may accuse" me certainly do so based on moral assumptions which don't apply because you excluded morality.
Why shouldn't it be enough in a democractic system to consider such issues when it comes to elections and then leave it to the elected representatives?
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Hi everyone!

Some time ago I studied some ecology-oriented study programme, so this topic is quite close to me. Hovewer, I started to look at this problem in a little bit philosophical manner, and few thoughts already come to my mind. For example think about this:

Our nowaday society is (at this moment in time) the result of billions years of life evolution. Humans showed up just recently, so they definitely have no impact on the whole evolution. If we are part of evolution, it does mean that everything what humankind did was part of it. And if we can consider this evolution as natural part of universe, so we can consider a human deeds as natural part of universe. So we can say 8) - what happened couldn't have happened any other way.
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