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Climate Change (CC): post COP26

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At the conclusion of COP 26, the UN Secretary General said:

As I said at the opening, we must accelerate action to keep the 1.5 degree goal alive.

Our fragile planet is hanging by a thread.

We are still knocking on the door of climate catastrophe.

It is time to go into emergency mode — or our chance of reaching net zero will itself be zero.

I reaffirm my conviction that we must end fossil fuels subsidies.

Phase out coal.

Put a price on carbon.

Some of us here may find interest in his statement, some may maintain passing interest, and some may even joke: wear short-sleeve more often, but on one can accuse him of playing politics or shirking responsibility for his high-paying job. He is indeed deeply concerned to put so much emphasis, when his job is in the UN with so many countries to face.

I would urge you to digest his words one by one. The most critical: hanging by a thread. Next, CC stands for Climate Catastrophe. Next; emergency mode. Next: zero chance. I challenge you to put them in stronger term.

Not all world leaders are born the same, of course. Some from India, for example, may insist on each country follows its own path. On coal-fired power generation, as New Delhi is soaked in smog, who can blame them for suffering less? Except that everybody has to pay the price somehow.

In this Forum, the topic of CC will subsist for a few days before being dropped to bite dust. Does any one care? Those world leaders in COP26 would have spent more days and effort traveling to faraway Glasgow, as if they have nothing better to do. Are they elected for that, and can we pass the buck to them again as good-for-nothing? No doubt some of us will sleep well. New Delhi is so far away.

I dare say that this Forum, and some of us in this Forum, are somewhat out of touch, or am I putting it too mildly?
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Re: Climate Change (CC): post COP26

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Startng with a 1.5 degree "goal" is like starting a race with broken ankles.
But despite starting in defeat you would not have thought the problem could have have worsened by the end of COP26.
So dreadful was the event that it has to be extended and ran over by several days?
And what did those days achieve? They used the time usefully to water down an already weak resolution.
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Re: Climate Change (CC): post COP26

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@gad-fly
Your constant repetition of threads about climate change is likely to be the factor which may stop me using this site altogether, because once again you have knocked my thread out of visibility within 2 days of making it. Most people are aware of the problem of climate change and you are not the only person who has created threads on related issues, so I do not know why you keep creating threads on the same topic endlessly. Personally, I am concerned about issues related to climate change but I don't want the issue forced on me constantly because it is just extremely depressing, and you have not come up with any constructive ideas about addressing the issue. It may be that many people care but it is not a simple matter at all, and I am not sure what you are trying to achieve other than saying that it should be thought about day and night, and that nothing else matters at all.
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Re: Climate Change (CC): post COP26

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Fair point, Jack. We only need one thread to cover this, not multiples.

Gad-Fly, please utilise your existing threads on this topic and not keep starting new ones, as per forum rules. Cheers.
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Re: Climate Change (CC): post COP26

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Sy Borg wrote: November 17th, 2021, 7:28 pm Fair point, Jack. We only need one thread to cover this, not multiples.

Gad-Fly, please utilise your existing threads on this topic and not keep starting new ones, as per forum rules. Cheers.
Yes, the duplication actually dilutes the subject and its discussion, which is unhelpful, given its paramount importance. 👍
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Re: Climate Change (CC): post COP26

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Spamming the forum with CC threads doesn't support the 1.5 degree goal. :wink:
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COP26, the tile of this topic, lasts from 31 Oct to Nov 12. Many world leaders attended, at the public's expense of enormous resources.

Conclusion by the UN Secretary General: Our Global planet is hanging by a thread. The conclusion by him and others appears crucial to our survival: No?
How strong can a thread be?

Would you not care less, or should this forum constrict debate here to a single thread(!) lumped under CC?
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@gad-fly
You need to understand that people are interested and it may be that your initial thread has sparked off a number of threads with issues relating to climate change. It is not as if only one thread is needed but different areas of expertise are needed to consider the problem, because it is not just about whether one 'cares', but about looking at the matter in depth and in an analytical and practical way.
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gad-fly wrote: November 19th, 2021, 2:11 pm Conclusion by the UN Secretary General: Our Global planet is hanging by a thread. The conclusion by him and others appears crucial to our survival: No?
How strong can a thread be?
That's a very intersting statement from my 'psychological' perspective. It touches upon many existential notions and cognition of self and other,
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Re: Climate Change (CC): post COP26

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JackDaydream wrote: November 19th, 2021, 2:58 pm @gad-fly
You need to understand that people are interested and it may be that your initial thread has sparked off a number of threads with issues relating to climate change. It is not as if only one thread is needed but different areas of expertise are needed to consider the problem, because it is not just about whether one 'cares', but about looking at the matter in depth and in an analytical and practical way.
Know what 26 in COP26 stands for? The 26th, it is. The 25th is in Madrid 2019. the first is Kyoto 1995, long before the birth of this forum in Jan 2007, but perhaps not before you were born. COP had not been blessed with a thread in this forum until, by accident, I hit upon it a few days ago. I do not know whether the UN Secretary General has emergency in hospital in mind when he emphasizes Emergency. Suffice to say I have the hospital experience.

If you want to leave the issue to the experts because it is too complicated for you, fine. If you want to skip over the resources poured down to deal with CC, no problem. When it comes to your turn, you are entitled to say: I pass. But don't pass the blame to your political leaders. It is a waste of effort, since they can only be as good as their electorate.

What matters most, though not solely, is that you show your concern on what matters, that you care, and how much you care. Your influence is essential, one way or the other.
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@gad-fly
I definitely believe that climate change is important and that it is a good thing that you have drawn attention to it. When I speak of expertise I am aware of important ideas being addressed in a couple of threads about issues of solar engineering and about waste dumping. I have not contributed to those discussions but I do try to read as much as I can of these because iI believe that it is important to be able to think about such aspects as well as other areas of philosophy. The future of humanity is at stake and I believe that I have stated previously that I often get depressed about the issue, but wish to approach the matter positively and constructively.
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Re: Climate Change (CC): post COP26

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Obviously from a climatological point of view, CC has numerous interesting facets to discuss. Similarly the sociological and economic fallouts are potentially very interesting. However from a philosophical perspective taking CC seriously is an essential no-brainer. The interesting issues are the rationalizations created by the CC deniers.
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LuckyR wrote: November 20th, 2021, 2:54 pm Obviously from a climatological point of view, CC has numerous interesting facets to discuss. Similarly the sociological and economic fallouts are potentially very interesting. However from a philosophical perspective taking CC seriously is an essential no-brainer. The interesting issues are the rationalizations created by the CC deniers.

"However from a philosophical perspective taking CC seriously is an essential no-brainer."

I take "philosophy" here in a broader context. To me, for example, Philosophy of Politics makes as little sense as Politics of Philosophy. In this respect, philosophy here should be taken to be no more than a high-sounding word for deep intellectual thought, such that we can all debate on any impersonal serious concern here under the sun, such as vegetarianism, cattle ranging, and so on.

But i must be wary of going on farther, lest I stray from the title. i have already done that? Sorry.
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Re: Climate Change (CC): post COP26

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Gad-fly, since you are so keen to fight the good fight on behalf of the planet, why are you not countering the claims made on the "Should solar geo-engineering research be discouraged, or banned?" thread? There you can find the kinds of arguments used by the right to avoid adjusting for climate change.
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Re: Climate Change (CC): post COP26

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I am far from being able to assess other individual's mind set based on forum postings. But from a psychotherapeutic perspective some posting behaviours may be (rightly or wrongly) associated with obsessiveness and obsessiveness can be cured by therapists.
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