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Reasons to Take Over the World

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1. The World exists.

2. Nobody or group has ever taken over the World - All attempts at World control have failed.

3. The chaotic order of the World, left uncontrolled, is both dangerous and counter productive.

4. The challenge of achieving what has never been done is intriguing.

5. Recent {ie. Donald Trump, et al} and current {Vladimir Putin, Xi Jinping, et al} leaders are ineffective, misguided,
and most of all they lack finesse - Singularly they are ineffective at controlling their own domains and are not capable of
acting together - Chaos still rules.

6. If you don't do it {take over the World} someone else will - The chance may not come again.

7. Being old I will not compete if you attempt World take over now
- But will drive you out of power quickly if you prove to be as dumb and inept as the current crop of politicos now trying to control it.

8. The next move is up to you - You have the internet covering the entire World, advanced and Advancing AI,
and hopefully a decent computer.
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Re: Reasons to Take Over the World

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UniversalAlien wrote: April 25th, 2022, 6:33 am 1. The World exists.

2. Nobody or group has ever taken over the World - All attempts at World control have failed.

3. The chaotic order of the World, left uncontrolled, is both dangerous and counter productive.

4. The challenge of achieving what has never been done is intriguing.

5. Recent {ie. Donald Trump, et al} and current {Vladimir Putin, Xi Jinping, et al} leaders are ineffective, misguided,
and most of all they lack finesse - Singularly they are ineffective at controlling their own domains and are not capable of
acting together - Chaos still rules.

6. If you don't do it {take over the World} someone else will - The chance may not come again.

7. Being old I will not compete if you attempt World take over now
- But will drive you out of power quickly if you prove to be as dumb and inept as the current crop of politicos now trying to control it.

8. The next move is up to you - You have the internet covering the entire World, advanced and Advancing AI,
and hopefully a decent computer.
Don't you think it would be dangerous if any one person or group tried to take over the world? It would involve 'the will to power' as spoken of by Nietzsche. He didn't necessarily endorse such attempts as Hitler and the Nazis but they drew upon his ideas for creating a master race, or even his notion of 'superman.

There are power elites behind the scene already. It is not as if it is a completely free world.

Your idea of a lone individual trying to take over the world even with a computer does not make sense. What would make such a person successful? The person would need to have phenomenal powers of persuasion. Also, it would depend on the motivations. Surely, taking over the world would not be an end in itself. Would it be for egoistic ends or for a vision of a better world? If the idea is for a better world for human quality of life it would be about listening to needs and thinking of other forms of life.

It seems that the idea of one person trying to take over the world would be very dangerous potentially. As it is, there is already Putin. The concept of taking over the world seems like trying to play God or becoming a Messiah, with all the ramifications which that may entail.
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Re: Reasons to Take Over the World

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UniversalAlien wrote: April 25th, 2022, 6:33 am 3. The chaotic order of the World, left uncontrolled, is both dangerous and counter productive.
There are a lot of unexpected ideas here!
  • Is the world "chaotic"?
  • Does the world need to be "controlled"?
    • By whom?
    • Why?
  • In what way is the world, in its current state, "dangerous"?
  • In what way is the world, in its current state, "counter-productive"?
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UniversalAlien wrote: April 25th, 2022, 6:33 am 1. The World exists.

2. Nobody or group has ever taken over the World - All attempts at World control have failed.

3. The chaotic order of the World, left uncontrolled, is both dangerous and counter productive.

4. The challenge of achieving what has never been done is intriguing.

5. Recent {ie. Donald Trump, et al} and current {Vladimir Putin, Xi Jinping, et al} leaders are ineffective, misguided,
and most of all they lack finesse - Singularly they are ineffective at controlling their own domains and are not capable of
acting together - Chaos still rules.

6. If you don't do it {take over the World} someone else will - The chance may not come again.

7. Being old I will not compete if you attempt World take over now
- But will drive you out of power quickly if you prove to be as dumb and inept as the current crop of politicos now trying to control it.

8. The next move is up to you - You have the internet covering the entire World, advanced and Advancing AI,
and hopefully a decent computer.

Do you hear that Pinky? It is up to us. It is time to take over the WORLD!!

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JackDaydream wrote: April 25th, 2022, 7:38 am
UniversalAlien wrote: April 25th, 2022, 6:33 am 1. The World exists.

2. Nobody or group has ever taken over the World - All attempts at World control have failed.

3. The chaotic order of the World, left uncontrolled, is both dangerous and counter productive.

4. The challenge of achieving what has never been done is intriguing.

5. Recent {ie. Donald Trump, et al} and current {Vladimir Putin, Xi Jinping, et al} leaders are ineffective, misguided,
and most of all they lack finesse - Singularly they are ineffective at controlling their own domains and are not capable of
acting together - Chaos still rules.

6. If you don't do it {take over the World} someone else will - The chance may not come again.

7. Being old I will not compete if you attempt World take over now
- But will drive you out of power quickly if you prove to be as dumb and inept as the current crop of politicos now trying to control it.

8. The next move is up to you - You have the internet covering the entire World, advanced and Advancing AI,
and hopefully a decent computer.
Don't you think it would be dangerous if any one person or group tried to take over the world? It would involve 'the will to power' as spoken of by Nietzsche. He didn't necessarily endorse such attempts as Hitler and the Nazis but they drew upon his ideas for creating a master race, or even his notion of 'superman.

There are power elites behind the scene already. It is not as if it is a completely free world.

Your idea of a lone individual trying to take over the world even with a computer does not make sense. What would make such a person successful? The person would need to have phenomenal powers of persuasion. Also, it would depend on the motivations. Surely, taking over the world would not be an end in itself. Would it be for egoistic ends or for a vision of a better world? If the idea is for a better world for human quality of life it would be about listening to needs and thinking of other forms of life.

It seems that the idea of one person trying to take over the world would be very dangerous potentially. As it is, there is already Putin. The concept of taking over the world seems like trying to play God or becoming a Messiah, with all the ramifications which that may entail.
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It is inconsistent with the fact that dictatorships all now facing extinction that any one person could ever take over the world. This supported by the fact that the most powerful person on earth at the time didn't even have the slightest success with his Jan 6th insurrection.

And the compatibility required for the WWW to operate requiring a near-complete lack of diversity among the few operating systems in use, those protected by a handful of generic security programs, and hence vulnerable to a malicious code placed in all computers over time, set to activate on a certain date allowing the internet to act like one big brain. This series of inherent flaws instead setting limits on the life time of the Web. No need for AI to play any real part in this anyhow (I don't know anything much about computers so this above might be stupid stuff).
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JackDaydream wrote:
There are power elites behind the scene already. It is not as if it is a completely free world.

Your idea of a lone individual trying to take over the world even with a computer does not make sense. What would make such a person successful? The person would need to have phenomenal powers of persuasion. Also, it would depend on the motivations. Surely, taking over the world would not be an end in itself. Would it be for egoistic ends or for a vision of a better world? If the idea is for a better world for human quality of life it would be about listening to needs and thinking of other forms of life.

It seems that the idea of one person trying to take over the world would be very dangerous potentially. As it is, there is already Putin. The concept of taking over the world seems like trying to play God or becoming a Messiah, with all the ramifications which that may entail.
" there is already Putin" - And then.........
I hereby challenge
Vladimir Putin
to single combat

Stakes are Ukraine
- Elon Musk

And then......

"Musk gets Twitter for $44 billion, to cheers and fears of 'free speech' plan"
NEW YORK, April 25 (Reuters) - Elon Musk clinched a deal to buy Twitter Inc (TWTR.N) for $44 billion cash on Monday in a transaction that will shift control of the social media platform populated by millions of users and global leaders to the world's richest person.
https://www.reuters.com/technology/excl ... 022-04-25/

Apparently Elon Musk does not need a reason to take over the World - He just thinks that way anyway :!:
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UniversalAlien wrote: April 26th, 2022, 7:24 am JackDaydream wrote:
There are power elites behind the scene already. It is not as if it is a completely free world.

Your idea of a lone individual trying to take over the world even with a computer does not make sense. What would make such a person successful? The person would need to have phenomenal powers of persuasion. Also, it would depend on the motivations. Surely, taking over the world would not be an end in itself. Would it be for egoistic ends or for a vision of a better world? If the idea is for a better world for human quality of life it would be about listening to needs and thinking of other forms of life.

It seems that the idea of one person trying to take over the world would be very dangerous potentially. As it is, there is already Putin. The concept of taking over the world seems like trying to play God or becoming a Messiah, with all the ramifications which that may entail.
" there is already Putin" - And then.........
I hereby challenge
Vladimir Putin
to single combat

Stakes are Ukraine
- Elon Musk

And then......

"Musk gets Twitter for $44 billion, to cheers and fears of 'free speech' plan"
NEW YORK, April 25 (Reuters) - Elon Musk clinched a deal to buy Twitter Inc (TWTR.N) for $44 billion cash on Monday in a transaction that will shift control of the social media platform populated by millions of users and global leaders to the world's richest person.
https://www.reuters.com/technology/excl ... 022-04-25/

Apparently Elon Musk does not need a reason to take over the World - He just thinks that way anyway :!:
The idea of trying to take over the world, especially by any one person, is likely to be about an inflated consciousness, especially if that individual thought that they had all the answers. The problems of the world are so immense that groups find it hard to work out a solution. That is because there are competing interests and human beings have already acted as lords of the earth, disregarding other lifeforms to meet their needs and desires.

To overcome the chaos of the world would be almost impossible because the chaos arises because there is so much conflict in a jungle of competition and confusion of broken down ideals. Some have thought that there would be a future world leader, Maitreya, but it is questionable whether this idea could ever be embodied as one human being is questionable indeed.
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JackDaydream wrote:
The idea of trying to take over the world, especially by any one person, is likely to be about an inflated consciousness, especially if that individual thought that they had all the answers. The problems of the world are so immense that groups find it hard to work out a solution. That is because there are competing interests and human beings have already acted as lords of the earth, disregarding other lifeforms to meet their needs and desires.

To overcome the chaos of the world would be almost impossible because the chaos arises because there is so much conflict in a jungle of competition and confusion of broken down ideals. Some have thought that there would be a future world leader, Maitreya, but it is questionable whether this idea could ever be embodied as one human being is questionable indeed.
1. 'Maybe' true - And at least sometimes I agree.
BUT
2. For years I've considered this hypothesis:
UFOs which often appear to be guided by intelligent control of an advanced technology are fact - But no provable contact with
them can be proven. The hypothesis is that they observe what goes on on the planet Earth and would make contact, but when they
see the Human species 'Man' not having a leader [or leaders, controlling group, etc.} in charge, they consider the species to be
basically 'uncivilized' - They will not contact, communicate with or in any what aid and abet uncivilized species - and if anything consider Man's technology {consider nuclear weapons} to be a threat to both Man himself and other hypothetical species
- So they just observe.

3. Again hypothetical - Man's Evolution is blocked and will remain so until he can unify under a real 'New world order'
and this would require unification of goals and directions for the future - In this World all real wars of death and destruction
would be outlawed :idea:

4. The problem though remains - People of the right wing political mind set both here in the USA and many other countries
automatically equate a unified World as being both totalitarian and evil - But as we continue to see, the current chaotic
world order of wars, death and destruction is undeniably evil - Evolution demands Man descend this conundrum :!:
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UniversalAlien wrote: April 25th, 2022, 6:33 am 1. The World exists.

2. Nobody or group has ever taken over the World - All attempts at World control have failed.

3. The chaotic order of the World, left uncontrolled, is both dangerous and counter productive.

4. The challenge of achieving what has never been done is intriguing.

5. Recent {ie. Donald Trump, et al} and current {Vladimir Putin, Xi Jinping, et al} leaders are ineffective, misguided,
and most of all they lack finesse - Singularly they are ineffective at controlling their own domains and are not capable of
acting together - Chaos still rules.

6. If you don't do it {take over the World} someone else will - The chance may not come again.

7. Being old I will not compete if you attempt World take over now
- But will drive you out of power quickly if you prove to be as dumb and inept as the current crop of politicos now trying to control it.

8. The next move is up to you - You have the internet covering the entire World, advanced and Advancing AI,
and hopefully a decent computer.
As I read the OP, it seems to me that the question was not about whether conquering the entire world was desirable or possible. Instead the OP is asking what might stand as reasons to take over the world—as if it were something that is desirable and possible—doing so as a single individual or perhaps among a group of individuals.

But none of the 8 items presented is actually a reason of any sort. Because the world exists is no reason to obtain mastery of it. Just because the entire world has never been conquered is no reason to conquer it.

No single item is a reason for taking action to control the world, and all the items taken together as one don’t amount to a single reason.

Reasons to take over the world might include to own all the resources of the planet, or to have all the wealth, or to travel anywhere without restriction or to satisfy a pathological need to own the world.

There may be reasons other than the examples cited here.
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Let me tell you one HUGE danger that would disappear if one person (or a group of people would be ideal) took over the world. NUCLEAR WAR and the destruction of practically all of mankind! Is that a good enough reason for ya?!
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Slavedevice wrote: April 28th, 2022, 10:00 am Let me tell you one HUGE danger that would disappear if one person (or a group of people would be ideal) took over the world. NUCLEAR WAR and the destruction of practically all of mankind! Is that a good enough reason for ya?!
OK, but what if that "one person" (or group) was someone like Russia's current leader? Nuclear war would then be more likely, not less, yes?
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Pattern-chaser wrote: April 28th, 2022, 11:11 am
Slavedevice wrote: April 28th, 2022, 10:00 am Let me tell you one HUGE danger that would disappear if one person (or a group of people would be ideal) took over the world. NUCLEAR WAR and the destruction of practically all of mankind! Is that a good enough reason for ya?!
OK, but what if that "one person" (or group) was someone like Russia's current leader? Nuclear war would then be more likely, not less, yes?
Nuclear annihilation would not be a good thing, but it would still be a reason.
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If there were no countries other than one world “country”, then there would never be a nuclear war! What would you bomb your own country? Duh... I admit it could be a mofo like Putin, but he would never have a reason - there d be no one to fight.
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I think the ideal way to make the world one would be a GROUP of people ruling the world (not one autocrat). There would be a much smoother economy and movement of resources. We could also control climate change much easier. Lots of reasons!
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Slavedevice wrote: April 29th, 2022, 7:14 am I think the ideal way to make the world one would be a GROUP of people ruling the world (not one autocrat). There would be a much smoother economy and movement of resources. We could also control climate change much easier. Lots of reasons!
A world government would surely help us to address climate change. ... Although people aren't gonna like it when they consciously realise what they're going to have to give up, but that's nothing to do with 'reasons to take over the world'.
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