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Centenary of a Real American Hero

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Centenary of a Real American Hero: Howard Zinn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18OvSra5Di8

Who of you here has ever heard of the Ludlow Massacre??

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludlow_Massacre

If not why is this part of AMerican history been kept from you?
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What I find funny is, the last thre ehigh schools I was asked to lecture in, they all had been told to read Zinn. Of course he's terribly biased. Makes no mention of the Christian origin for USA's natural rights. Just liek everyone else, he assumes they are rights for purely selfish reasons, which taints the entire book. Thats what I keep having to tell them.
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Sculptor1 wrote: November 26th, 2022, 7:34 am

Who of you here has ever heard of the Ludlow Massacre??

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludlow_Massacre

If not why is this part of AMerican history been kept from you?
As a former member of UMW who went down daily in the Climax Molybdenum Mine in Climax, Colorado, of course I've heard of the Ludlow Massacre. The former coal miners who worked the Climax mine thought they were in heaven: solid, less flammable rock and no coal dust to cause Black Lung. I still consider that the only real job I ever had, although I mined for only three months (just enough to get my UMW card) and then quit.

Although conditions were better than in coal mines, it was still a harsh life. The mine is at 11,000 feet and I worked their from September through November. It was generally 10 degrees when I went down in the morning, and dark by the time I got to the surface.

Mining novel recommendations: Wallace Stegner -- The Angle of Repose. Much of it is set in Leadville, Colorado (where I lived when I worked at Climax).
Germinal by Emile Zola -- Great mine disaster scenes.
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ernestm wrote: November 26th, 2022, 12:18 pm What I find funny is, the last thre ehigh schools I was asked to lecture in, they all had been told to read Zinn. Of course he's terribly biased. Makes no mention of the Christian origin for USA's natural rights. Just liek everyone else, he assumes they are rights for purely selfish reasons, which taints the entire book. Thats what I keep having to tell them.
Faith tends to be delusional, blinding the followers to have rose tinted glasses. And what they miss is that religion was at the heart of most social strife, burnings and witchhunts.
But keeo your fantasy if it gives you hope. But beware that you are being hoodwinked.
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Ecurb wrote: November 26th, 2022, 12:51 pm
Sculptor1 wrote: November 26th, 2022, 7:34 am

Who of you here has ever heard of the Ludlow Massacre??

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludlow_Massacre

If not why is this part of AMerican history been kept from you?
As a former member of UMW who went down daily in the Climax Molybdenum Mine in Climax, Colorado, of course I've heard of the Ludlow Massacre. The former coal miners who worked the Climax mine thought they were in heaven: solid, less flammable rock and no coal dust to cause Black Lung. I still consider that the only real job I ever had, although I mined for only three months (just enough to get my UMW card) and then quit.

Although conditions were better than in coal mines, it was still a harsh life. The mine is at 11,000 feet and I worked their from September through November. It was generally 10 degrees when I went down in the morning, and dark by the time I got to the surface.

Mining novel recommendations: Wallace Stegner -- The Angle of Repose. Much of it is set in Leadville, Colorado (where I lived when I worked at Climax).
Germinal by Emile Zola -- Great mine disaster scenes.
Thats rough.
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ernestm wrote: November 26th, 2022, 9:58 pm
Thats rough.
Not really. "You can't get much without a union." The United Mine Workers made sure our labor was safe, well compensated, and not overly onerous.
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Ecurb wrote: November 27th, 2022, 1:00 pm
ernestm wrote: November 26th, 2022, 9:58 pm
Thats rough.
Not really. "You can't get much without a union." The United Mine Workers made sure our labor was safe, well compensated, and not overly onerous.
It's good the union helped you. The coal industry is in a difficult position ethically, with climate change as it is, and really at this point unions should be seeking retraining, but sadly thats not how things work in this nation, and workers really are facing a dilemma.
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