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Abortion - Not as diametrically divisive as often thought?

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With which statement do you agree?

I want it to be illegal for a very poor teenager who was impregnated from being raped by an immediate family member to get an abortion even in the first week of pregnancy even if the doctors can and did detect the baby has severe genetic disorders and that the pregnancy if taken to term would have complications greatly risking the life of both the mother and would-be baby.
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I want it to be legal for a wealthy woman who is 5 days past her due date (of birth) to get an abortion even though doctors are sure that the healthy baby would be delivered safely and relatively easily otherwise and even though many safe, healthy, loving families are willing to adopt the would-be newborn immediately and even pay the woman significantly for that.
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I do not agree fully with either one of the above statements.
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Maxreview wrote: February 17th, 2023, 12:23 pm I fell this issue is entirely circumstantial. It's a moral dilemma and paradox, too. If the fetus is threatening the life of the mother, then it may be wise to terminate the pregnancy. Sometimes, the parents may not just be ready to have the baby, so I feel its their call to make and no one should judge them for doing what they think is best for themselves. But also, if we view it from the baby's view, it's murder in some way. Sometimes, raising the child in-vitro, giving it to a surrogate, or deciding to keep it to give it for adoption may be a nice idea where applicable.
You are correct that the subject contains issues of competing interests. However such a situation is not a paradox, and while can be a dilemma, usually isn't. That is, we routinely make decisions that revolve around competing interests. Basically, one set of interests are deemed to be greater than the other.
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Scottie wrote: January 29th, 2012, 1:25 am The problem I have is that the position to allow abortion does not affect the right to choose for the people who choose not to abort. No one is for forcing anyone to have an abortion against their will.

The position which denies abortion does affect the right to choose for those who choose to abort. Some one IS attempting to force that person to bring the pregnancy to term.

No one has proven that a fetus has rights independently of the mother. I don't think we get to appeal to the big man in the sky as the basis for law.

But the issue is that people abuse privileges that they're given and this is no exception to the rule and it's unfortunate that the majority of people that get abortions have had more than one in fact a very high percentage of them have had three or four as if they're using it as a contraceptive not a last resort and that is inhumane from a different angle.
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MAYA EL wrote: March 8th, 2023, 10:52 pm
Scottie wrote: January 29th, 2012, 1:25 am The problem I have is that the position to allow abortion does not affect the right to choose for the people who choose not to abort. No one is for forcing anyone to have an abortion against their will.

The position which denies abortion does affect the right to choose for those who choose to abort. Some one IS attempting to force that person to bring the pregnancy to term.

No one has proven that a fetus has rights independently of the mother. I don't think we get to appeal to the big man in the sky as the basis for law.

But the issue is that people abuse privileges that they're given and this is no exception to the rule and it's unfortunate that the majority of people that get abortions have had more than one in fact a very high percentage of them have had three or four as if they're using it as a contraceptive not a last resort and that is inhumane from a different angle.
Commenting on extreme examples does not logically support making it illegal for everyone.
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LuckyR wrote: March 9th, 2023, 12:36 pm
MAYA EL wrote: March 8th, 2023, 10:52 pm
Scottie wrote: January 29th, 2012, 1:25 am The problem I have is that the position to allow abortion does not affect the right to choose for the people who choose not to abort. No one is for forcing anyone to have an abortion against their will.

The position which denies abortion does affect the right to choose for those who choose to abort. Some one IS attempting to force that person to bring the pregnancy to term.

No one has proven that a fetus has rights independently of the mother. I don't think we get to appeal to the big man in the sky as the basis for law.

But the issue is that people abuse privileges that they're given and this is no exception to the rule and it's unfortunate that the majority of people that get abortions have had more than one in fact a very high percentage of them have had three or four as if they're using it as a contraceptive not a last resort and that is inhumane from a different angle.
Commenting on extreme examples does not logically support making it illegal for everyone.
It better justifies taking away a privilege that was unwisely GIVEN to them yes
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MAYA EL wrote: March 26th, 2023, 1:29 pm
LuckyR wrote: March 9th, 2023, 12:36 pm
MAYA EL wrote: March 8th, 2023, 10:52 pm
Scottie wrote: January 29th, 2012, 1:25 am The problem I have is that the position to allow abortion does not affect the right to choose for the people who choose not to abort. No one is for forcing anyone to have an abortion against their will.

The position which denies abortion does affect the right to choose for those who choose to abort. Some one IS attempting to force that person to bring the pregnancy to term.

No one has proven that a fetus has rights independently of the mother. I don't think we get to appeal to the big man in the sky as the basis for law.

But the issue is that people abuse privileges that they're given and this is no exception to the rule and it's unfortunate that the majority of people that get abortions have had more than one in fact a very high percentage of them have had three or four as if they're using it as a contraceptive not a last resort and that is inhumane from a different angle.
Commenting on extreme examples does not logically support making it illegal for everyone.
It better justifies taking away a privilege that was unwisely GIVEN to them yes
"better"? Better than what? It's easy to argue against nonarguments.
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