Gun Control and Mass Murder
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Universal Alien, in the OP, wrote:
'Australia after a similar incident some years ago outlawed all guns. And then the crime rate went up so high they had to rescind the law.'
I have only just started reading this thread, but have to comment. This blatant ******** cannot go unchallenged.
Please check your facts, Universal Alien. While you are right that Australia had a similar incident (in 1996, Martin Bryant killed 35 people, and wounded 18 others) you are completely wrong in the rest of the above quote.
As a result of Bryant's actions in the "Port Arthur Massacre" Australia benefitted from a rare example of political leadership. Then Prime Minister took on the gun lobby, and even members of his government, to introduce the National Firearms Agreement (NFA). All guns were not banned, although 640,000 were bought back by the government, and scrapped. Private ownership of semi-automatics like Bryant used was banned, universal registration introduced giving police a record of ownership, along with rules regarding safe storage of weapons. These laws have not been rescinded
And the crime rate did not rise.
More facts: In the 18 years prior to Port Arthur, there were 13 gun massacres ( defined as 4 or more people killed) in Australia. Since then, there have been NONE.
Gun deaths have fallen from 600/year in the early '90s, to less than 250/year. These figures include gun homicides and suicides, and the overall figures for homicide and suicide show that the use of a gun has not been replaced by other means.
And there has been a huge economic benefit besides the obvious social benefits of so many lives not being lost or taken. Gun reform cost Australia about $500 million, and has result in estimated savings approaching $10 billion. Follow this link to the Harvard research if you don't believe me.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/18/opini ... .html?_r=0
The (so-called) United States have a gun problem. Australia does not, nor do other nations which have taken serious action on gun control.
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Actually the US has a paranoia problem that causes folks to buy (and use) too many guns. Similar but a little differentRobert66 wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2020, 1:26 pm Wgk7, I copy my first post to this topic here for your benefit, and to hopefully bring the discussion back on track. And I note that for all the wishful thinking eg about a well-armed and therefore polite society, the US has a massive problem, which could be significantly reduced if sensible controls were put in place.
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Universal Alien, in the OP, wrote:
'Australia after a similar incident some years ago outlawed all guns. And then the crime rate went up so high they had to rescind the law.'
I have only just started reading this thread, but have to comment. This blatant ******** cannot go unchallenged.
Please check your facts, Universal Alien. While you are right that Australia had a similar incident (in 1996, Martin Bryant killed 35 people, and wounded 18 others) you are completely wrong in the rest of the above quote.
As a result of Bryant's actions in the "Port Arthur Massacre" Australia benefitted from a rare example of political leadership. Then Prime Minister took on the gun lobby, and even members of his government, to introduce the National Firearms Agreement (NFA). All guns were not banned, although 640,000 were bought back by the government, and scrapped. Private ownership of semi-automatics like Bryant used was banned, universal registration introduced giving police a record of ownership, along with rules regarding safe storage of weapons. These laws have not been rescinded
And the crime rate did not rise.
More facts: In the 18 years prior to Port Arthur, there were 13 gun massacres ( defined as 4 or more people killed) in Australia. Since then, there have been NONE.
Gun deaths have fallen from 600/year in the early '90s, to less than 250/year. These figures include gun homicides and suicides, and the overall figures for homicide and suicide show that the use of a gun has not been replaced by other means.
And there has been a huge economic benefit besides the obvious social benefits of so many lives not being lost or taken. Gun reform cost Australia about $500 million, and has result in estimated savings approaching $10 billion. Follow this link to the Harvard research if you don't believe me.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/18/opini ... .html?_r=0
The (so-called) United States have a gun problem. Australia does not, nor do other nations which have taken serious action on gun control.
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We are still unsure whether we are a state of America or a Chinese province.
Robert is correct. Universal Alien's claim about crime in Australia was an obvious lie.
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True, Greta. Thanks to wilful misleaders like Universal Alien, the pressure on legislators to wind back and undo post-Port Arthur gun law reform in Australia has been unrelenting.
Global news agency AFP fact-checked another dangerously misleading piece last year:
https://factcheck.afp.com/no-post-does- ... s-gun-laws
When it comes to guns, and fake news, I hope Australia never catches up to the US, or gets anywhere near it.
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But ... but ... how do they keep their families safe? Are assault rifles enough?
The US needs to urgently legalise the use of hand grenades, ballistic missiles and nuclear warheads for use in the suburbs. How else can Americans feel safe??
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Cue the rolling out of all the old excuses masquerading as arguments. But does anyone truly need convincing that better control of guns is needed in the U.S.? I mean anyone on this planet.
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Oh, and anthrax too. These days you really, really need a good supply anthrax to force potential assailants to keep out of your suburb.
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Like I said before, the US has a paranoia problem that leads to too many guns, which leads to a gun problem. But it doesn't start with the guns.
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Very true, but the solution to that doesn't lie through guns.
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