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LuckyR wrote: April 16th, 2021, 11:22 am
Belindi wrote: April 16th, 2021, 3:18 am Is it paranoid to know that one's social class is a lot less valuable than others' social class. Extreme class differentials are divisive.
Very true, but the solution to that doesn't lie through guns.
Yes, it's not as though the poor need to defend themselves from the rich. Rather, gun protect egos from vulnerability, which would otherwise feel disempowered and humiliated by societal inequality: "I might be poor but I can still shoot your [donkey synonym] off".
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Sy Borg wrote: April 16th, 2021, 8:58 pm
LuckyR wrote: April 16th, 2021, 11:22 am
Belindi wrote: April 16th, 2021, 3:18 am Is it paranoid to know that one's social class is a lot less valuable than others' social class. Extreme class differentials are divisive.
Very true, but the solution to that doesn't lie through guns.
Yes, it's not as though the poor need to defend themselves from the rich. Rather, gun protect egos from vulnerability, which would otherwise feel disempowered and humiliated by societal inequality: "I might be poor but I can still shoot your [donkey synonym] off".
The "paranoia problem " among Americans can be reduced by brave politicians who are not tools of the Gun Lobby, and who also increase the quality of education.

My remedy as above omits to say how education for enforced leisure actually works. Apart from a firearm, well paid work, and other benefits of the pig-trough, what makes an adult feel worthy?
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Belindi wrote: April 17th, 2021, 4:39 am
Sy Borg wrote: April 16th, 2021, 8:58 pm
LuckyR wrote: April 16th, 2021, 11:22 am
Belindi wrote: April 16th, 2021, 3:18 am Is it paranoid to know that one's social class is a lot less valuable than others' social class. Extreme class differentials are divisive.
Very true, but the solution to that doesn't lie through guns.
Yes, it's not as though the poor need to defend themselves from the rich. Rather, gun protect egos from vulnerability, which would otherwise feel disempowered and humiliated by societal inequality: "I might be poor but I can still shoot your [donkey synonym] off".
The "paranoia problem " among Americans can be reduced by brave politicians who are not tools of the Gun Lobby, and who also increase the quality of education.

My remedy as above omits to say how education for enforced leisure actually works. Apart from a firearm, well paid work, and other benefits of the pig-trough, what makes an adult feel worthy?
I would describe American paranoia thusly: say you are the rich elite, you want to make government policy to protect and increase your wealth, but you are too few in number to win elections. Solution: distract low information voters with racial tension and jingoism. Voilà, a pre-made voting bloc, election wins, gerrymandering to continue the win and paranoia (with a side benefit of an increase in retail gun sales, win, win, win. Laughing all the way to the bank.)
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LuckyR wrote: April 17th, 2021, 12:43 pm
Belindi wrote: April 17th, 2021, 4:39 am
Sy Borg wrote: April 16th, 2021, 8:58 pm
LuckyR wrote: April 16th, 2021, 11:22 am

Very true, but the solution to that doesn't lie through guns.
Yes, it's not as though the poor need to defend themselves from the rich. Rather, gun protect egos from vulnerability, which would otherwise feel disempowered and humiliated by societal inequality: "I might be poor but I can still shoot your [donkey synonym] off".
The "paranoia problem " among Americans can be reduced by brave politicians who are not tools of the Gun Lobby, and who also increase the quality of education.

My remedy as above omits to say how education for enforced leisure actually works. Apart from a firearm, well paid work, and other benefits of the pig-trough, what makes an adult feel worthy?
I would describe American paranoia thusly: say you are the rich elite, you want to make government policy to protect and increase your wealth, but you are too few in number to win elections. Solution: distract low information voters with racial tension and jingoism. Voilà, a pre-made voting bloc, election wins, gerrymandering to continue the win and paranoia (with a side benefit of an increase in retail gun sales, win, win, win. Laughing all the way to the bank.)


Is it then a policy of right wing regimes to keep school children divided into well-informed families and "low information voters" families?

For instance, how did the Trump regime allocated funding to state schools? Were schools in information-deprived districts deliberately not specially enriched so that children could break out of the cycle of information- deprivation?

Rich elites were ever so, plus that the more centralised the hold of the regime, the less information the poorer people have. With independence from the British Crown the USA should have broken away from entitlement of the ruling elite. The way I see it is that British (and Belgian and French)colonialism made the investors thrive, and American investors did likewise. It is well known that British wealth is founded on the slave trade, and so is American wealth. The rich elites are to a significant extent an international force for their own benefit. Even today huge tracts of British land are owned by Russians and Arabs.
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Belindi wrote: April 18th, 2021, 3:30 amWith independence from the British Crown the USA should have broken away from entitlement of the ruling elite. The way I see it is that British (and Belgian and French)colonialism made the investors thrive, and American investors did likewise. It is well known that British wealth is founded on the slave trade, and so is American wealth. The rich elites are to a significant extent an international force for their own benefit. Even today huge tracts of British land are owned by Russians and Arabs.
Not only has the US failed to break away from models requiring a ruling elite but, if not for COVID, they would have installed a new royal family.
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Belindi wrote: April 18th, 2021, 3:30 am
LuckyR wrote: April 17th, 2021, 12:43 pm
Belindi wrote: April 17th, 2021, 4:39 am
Sy Borg wrote: April 16th, 2021, 8:58 pm
Yes, it's not as though the poor need to defend themselves from the rich. Rather, gun protect egos from vulnerability, which would otherwise feel disempowered and humiliated by societal inequality: "I might be poor but I can still shoot your [donkey synonym] off".
The "paranoia problem " among Americans can be reduced by brave politicians who are not tools of the Gun Lobby, and who also increase the quality of education.

My remedy as above omits to say how education for enforced leisure actually works. Apart from a firearm, well paid work, and other benefits of the pig-trough, what makes an adult feel worthy?
I would describe American paranoia thusly: say you are the rich elite, you want to make government policy to protect and increase your wealth, but you are too few in number to win elections. Solution: distract low information voters with racial tension and jingoism. Voilà, a pre-made voting bloc, election wins, gerrymandering to continue the win and paranoia (with a side benefit of an increase in retail gun sales, win, win, win. Laughing all the way to the bank.)


Is it then a policy of right wing regimes to keep school children divided into well-informed families and "low information voters" families?

For instance, how did the Trump regime allocated funding to state schools? Were schools in information-deprived districts deliberately not specially enriched so that children could break out of the cycle of information- deprivation?

Rich elites were ever so, plus that the more centralised the hold of the regime, the less information the poorer people have. With independence from the British Crown the USA should have broken away from entitlement of the ruling elite. The way I see it is that British (and Belgian and French)colonialism made the investors thrive, and American investors did likewise. It is well known that British wealth is founded on the slave trade, and so is American wealth. The rich elites are to a significant extent an international force for their own benefit. Even today huge tracts of British land are owned by Russians and Arabs.
While historically the wealthy in democracies pursued the same goals, the advent of the media industry followed by net based media put the strategy into hyperdrive. No need to wait for educational policies to trickle through to adulthood voting patterns, you can recruit poor folks to vote for the elite money/power grab right here, right now.
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LuckyR wrote: April 18th, 2021, 5:01 pm
Belindi wrote: April 18th, 2021, 3:30 am
LuckyR wrote: April 17th, 2021, 12:43 pm
Belindi wrote: April 17th, 2021, 4:39 am
The "paranoia problem " among Americans can be reduced by brave politicians who are not tools of the Gun Lobby, and who also increase the quality of education.

My remedy as above omits to say how education for enforced leisure actually works. Apart from a firearm, well paid work, and other benefits of the pig-trough, what makes an adult feel worthy?
I would describe American paranoia thusly: say you are the rich elite, you want to make government policy to protect and increase your wealth, but you are too few in number to win elections. Solution: distract low information voters with racial tension and jingoism. Voilà, a pre-made voting bloc, election wins, gerrymandering to continue the win and paranoia (with a side benefit of an increase in retail gun sales, win, win, win. Laughing all the way to the bank.)


Is it then a policy of right wing regimes to keep school children divided into well-informed families and "low information voters" families?

For instance, how did the Trump regime allocated funding to state schools? Were schools in information-deprived districts deliberately not specially enriched so that children could break out of the cycle of information- deprivation?

Rich elites were ever so, plus that the more centralised the hold of the regime, the less information the poorer people have. With independence from the British Crown the USA should have broken away from entitlement of the ruling elite. The way I see it is that British (and Belgian and French)colonialism made the investors thrive, and American investors did likewise. It is well known that British wealth is founded on the slave trade, and so is American wealth. The rich elites are to a significant extent an international force for their own benefit. Even today huge tracts of British land are owned by Russians and Arabs.
While historically the wealthy in democracies pursued the same goals, the advent of the media industry followed by net based media put the strategy into hyperdrive. No need to wait for educational policies to trickle through to adulthood voting patterns, you can recruit poor folks to vote for the elite money/power grab right here, right now.
Is there an independent newspaper or TV channel in the US?
I note that many media people, and some celebrities too, are both honest and brave.
How might the narrative, as supported by for example Lucky, be told so that information-deprived people may understand it? Is confirmation bias the main difficulty?
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/2017 ... -to-reason
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Belindi wrote: April 19th, 2021, 3:32 am
LuckyR wrote: April 18th, 2021, 5:01 pm
Belindi wrote: April 18th, 2021, 3:30 am
LuckyR wrote: April 17th, 2021, 12:43 pm

I would describe American paranoia thusly: say you are the rich elite, you want to make government policy to protect and increase your wealth, but you are too few in number to win elections. Solution: distract low information voters with racial tension and jingoism. Voilà, a pre-made voting bloc, election wins, gerrymandering to continue the win and paranoia (with a side benefit of an increase in retail gun sales, win, win, win. Laughing all the way to the bank.)


Is it then a policy of right wing regimes to keep school children divided into well-informed families and "low information voters" families?

For instance, how did the Trump regime allocated funding to state schools? Were schools in information-deprived districts deliberately not specially enriched so that children could break out of the cycle of information- deprivation?

Rich elites were ever so, plus that the more centralised the hold of the regime, the less information the poorer people have. With independence from the British Crown the USA should have broken away from entitlement of the ruling elite. The way I see it is that British (and Belgian and French)colonialism made the investors thrive, and American investors did likewise. It is well known that British wealth is founded on the slave trade, and so is American wealth. The rich elites are to a significant extent an international force for their own benefit. Even today huge tracts of British land are owned by Russians and Arabs.
While historically the wealthy in democracies pursued the same goals, the advent of the media industry followed by net based media put the strategy into hyperdrive. No need to wait for educational policies to trickle through to adulthood voting patterns, you can recruit poor folks to vote for the elite money/power grab right here, right now.
Is there an independent newspaper or TV channel in the US?
I note that many media people, and some celebrities too, are both honest and brave.
How might the narrative, as supported by for example Lucky, be told so that information-deprived people may understand it? Is confirmation bias the main difficulty?
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/2017 ... -to-reason
That is so two generations ago. Almost no one in the bottom quarter of the economic ladder gets their "news" from a newspaper or broadcast TV channel. Folks get their "information" from their news feed on their social media platform. As we all know these are displayed based on an algorithm using previous searches as data points. So supercomputers comb the interweb for searches correlated with voting patterns and pump news feeds of those individuals with increasingly partisan articles in the direction the algorithm has computed.
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LuckyR wrote: April 19th, 2021, 12:45 pm
Belindi wrote: April 19th, 2021, 3:32 am
LuckyR wrote: April 18th, 2021, 5:01 pm
Belindi wrote: April 18th, 2021, 3:30 am

Is it then a policy of right wing regimes to keep school children divided into well-informed families and "low information voters" families?

For instance, how did the Trump regime allocated funding to state schools? Were schools in information-deprived districts deliberately not specially enriched so that children could break out of the cycle of information- deprivation?

Rich elites were ever so, plus that the more centralised the hold of the regime, the less information the poorer people have. With independence from the British Crown the USA should have broken away from entitlement of the ruling elite. The way I see it is that British (and Belgian and French)colonialism made the investors thrive, and American investors did likewise. It is well known that British wealth is founded on the slave trade, and so is American wealth. The rich elites are to a significant extent an international force for their own benefit. Even today huge tracts of British land are owned by Russians and Arabs.
While historically the wealthy in democracies pursued the same goals, the advent of the media industry followed by net based media put the strategy into hyperdrive. No need to wait for educational policies to trickle through to adulthood voting patterns, you can recruit poor folks to vote for the elite money/power grab right here, right now.
Is there an independent newspaper or TV channel in the US?
I note that many media people, and some celebrities too, are both honest and brave.
How might the narrative, as supported by for example Lucky, be told so that information-deprived people may understand it? Is confirmation bias the main difficulty?
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/2017 ... -to-reason
That is so two generations ago. Almost no one in the bottom quarter of the economic ladder gets their "news" from a newspaper or broadcast TV channel. Folks get their "information" from their news feed on their social media platform. As we all know these are displayed based on an algorithm using previous searches as data points. So supercomputers comb the interweb for searches correlated with voting patterns and pump news feeds of those individuals with increasingly partisan articles in the direction the algorithm has computed.
I hope that is a challenge for thinkers to find a way to inform the people on the bottom quarter of the economic ladder.
Confirmatory evidence strengthened people's views, as you'd expect, but so did disconfirmatory evidence. That's right, anti-death penalty people became more anti-death penalty when shown pro-death penalty evidence (and vice versa). A clear example of biased reasoning.
from the article I cited in my last post.

The article goes on to claim that confirmatory bias is dealt with by asking people to imagine how they would feel if the evidence pointed in the other direction. For instance if the evidence pointed in the direction of 'Burning fossil fuels is good for the environment' would you support getting energy from burning fossil fuels? People are asked to consider questions as if, like a jury, they were to consider the evidence alone, without prejudging it.
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