No Mind --> No Thoughts --> No Issues : Do you agree?

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Sushan wrote: July 9th, 2022, 6:43 am This topic is about the July 2022 Philosophy Book of the Month, The Truth Is Beyond Belief!: Some thoughts to make you think about the power of your thoughts…by Jerry Durr



"The One, when viewed from below, appears to be the many. The many, when viewed from above, is seen to be The One."

This “lofty” perspective has, to this day, inspired me to explore the power and role of the human mind with its magical ability to so seamlessly impose its own subjective, separating beliefs overtop an objective, unified reality - Existence Itself.
(Location 24 - Kindle version)

This author highlights the ability of our mind to form subjective and controversial ideas not only about vague facts and theories, but also regarding obvious and clearly proven points (e.g. Flat-earth believers). It is okay for anyone to have any personal opinion, but people often tend to argue and quarrel upon such facts.

Thinking about this, I got the idea that there will be no more arguments if we do not let our minds to act on their own. What do you say?
Once sensual desire has overcome, right, nothing left to abond further then mind. Today people tend to go after Sea Squirt methods, which, if good, leads to the undesirable state if "mindless being", but for most cases just "perfect sensual consumer", good householder. So gross hunger, gross food (given by eye, ear, nose, tongue, body) has to be penetrated first, before rejecting the intellect as well. Food and sources aren't for sure, and really a burden if not really free and caught mindless in the desert.

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https://accesstoinsight.eu/en/tipitaka/sut/sn/sn12/sn12.061.than wrote:...An uninstructed run-of-the-mill person might grow disenchanted with this body composed of the four great elements, might grow dispassionate toward it, might gain release from it. Why is that? Because the growth & decline, the taking up & putting down of this body composed of the four great elements are apparent. Thus the uninstructed run-of-the-mill person might grow disenchanted, might grow dispassionate, might gain release there.

“But as for what's called 'mind,' 'intellect,' or 'consciousness,' the uninstructed run-of-the-mill person is unable to grow disenchanted with it, unable to grow dispassionate toward it, unable to gain release from it. Why is that? For a long time this has been relished, appropriated, and grasped by the uninstructed run-of-the-mill person as, 'This is me, this is my self, this is what I am.' Thus the uninstructed run-of-the-mill person is unable to grow disenchanted with it, unable to grow dispassionate toward it, unable to gain release from it.

“It would be better for the uninstructed run-of-the-mill person to hold to the body composed of the four great elements, rather than the mind, as the self. Why is that? Because this body composed of the four great elements is seen standing for a year, two years, three, four, five, ten, twenty, thirty, forty, fifty, a hundred years or more. But what's called 'mind,' 'intellect,' or 'consciousness' by day and by night arises as one thing and ceases as another. Just as a monkey, swinging through a forest wilderness, grabs a branch. Letting go of it, it grabs another branch. Letting go of that, it grabs another one. Letting go of that, it grabs another one. In the same way, what's called 'mind,' 'intellect,' or 'consciousness' by day and by night arises as one thing and ceases as another. ...
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In response to the original post statement.

But you do have a mind and you do have thoughts and you do have issues so no I don’t agree because I am not a delusionist,
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In response to the original posters statement,IF, +=- and -=+ philosophy has told you that you don’t exist because you can’t exist if + and - cancel out then I would suggest that you ask this philosophy for definitive proof of this.

I can assure you that it won’t be able to provide it.
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We all exist because the 2 equal but opposite + and - forces in nature don’t cancel out. It is impossible to cancel these forces of nature out as Newtons 3rd law states.Science has ignored this fundamental point because it claims that these 2 forces of nature do cancel out.This incorrect claim is down to modern day science’s philosophy of as +=- and -=+ this produces a cancellation .As these forces do not cancel then they clearly don’t balance either which is how you know that this philosophical science is incorrect.All true formulas in science are symmetrical and balance.We know that the only way to obtain a BALANCED symmetry with the 2 equal but opposite + and - electromagnetic forces (because that is what these 2 forces are) is by the united formula. +/-=+/-

SELF knows about the vibratory nature of the cosmos which includes all matter even the matter that makes up or own bodies.This vibration even affecting the consciousness experience which we know as the in and out of the moment consciousness states.The brain is an electromagnetic organ which utilises balanced electromagnetic forces in its operation.We know this by the vibrating (sinusoidal) electrical signals (thought outputs) that are produced by it.These electrical signals vibrate just like everything else in the cosmos.
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Newton’s 3rd law states that you cannot cancel the action and reaction forces between two spinning electromagnets.This means that the 2 equal but opposite forces of nature do not cancel out and therefore neither do the electromagnetic fields that produce these two equal but opposite forces.

This means that in nature the divided formula +=- and -=+ does not provide a balance through a cancellation.The only way to balance these two equal but opposite forces of nature is by the formula +/-=+/- which is the true united formula for nature.

This means you need both the equal but opposite + and - forces to balance with both the equal but opposite + and - forces in order to achieve a vibratory balance in nature.

Everything vibrates in the cosmos due to this formula.

You can disagree with Newtons 3rd law if you want, that’s up to you.

The only reason the mathematical force gravity was invented was because scientists assumed incorrectly that the two equal but opposite forces of nature do cancel out.

Science is easy to understand.Its only modern day science that has made it complicated and out of reach of the masses due to its half logic philosophy that doesn’t even agree with one of its own accepted laws (Newtons 3rd law).

Science is united;balanced and symmetrical and it’s foundational philosophical formula is +/-=+/-.

Science is not founded on the formulas +=- and -=+ which are not only divided they are neither balanced or symmetrical.

In order to understand your psychological make up you require the correct formula.

Is it any wonder that there are so many mental health problems in society when incorrect scientific formulas are being adopted.

Accepted modern day science is doing absolutely nothing for your mental health. In fact it is damaging it beyond repair.
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From my experience you have to adopt the correct scientific philosophy before you can start understanding the psychological workings of the brain/mind interface. Workings that make total sense to me including the science behind it. The issue is trying to convince other individuals of this new philosophical logic/scientific approach, most are not interested, even though their mental health might be in total tatters. They don't like the united logic formula for some reason.

Personally, I have absolutely no problem at all with the united philosophical logic formula +/-=+/-.It makes prefect sense and works for me philosophically; scientifically and psychologically.
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As + and - do not cancel out in nature and newtons 3rd law confirms it,science should not be transferring this incorrect logic across the sciences especially into philosophy and psychology.

+=- and -=+ is a philosophical guess.

+/-=+/- is a philosophical certainty.
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Thanks for your kind information. It will surely give me important knowledge. I will look forward from it surely.
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Pattern-chaser wrote: July 9th, 2022, 7:37 am
Sushan wrote: July 9th, 2022, 6:43 am ...I got the idea that there will be no more arguments if we do not let our minds to act on their own. What do you say?
You seem to recommend that we stop thinking, then we won't think incorrectly. I think this is an ... unusual solution to the problem of human ignorance and/or stupidity.
No more thoughts and no more arguments or issues sounds welcoming but at the cost of everything else we will lose out...
I guess that is too high a price to pay.
We rather have our minds, think, process, and align ourselves to the correctness and act.
Imagine life without progress, relationships, feelings, affection, and bonding... would be soo dull.
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No mind;no thoughts;no issues originates from a belief system that as everything cancels out then everything is an illusion.This belief system originates from the divided and unsymmetrical philosophical formulas +=- and -=+

However,as I have explained above + and - forces in nature do not cancel out in science as newtons 3rd law states.Thy don’t cancel out in any of the sciences.

The + and - forces in nature are vibratory balanced by the perfect symmetrical formula +/-=+/-.This formula being the perfect philosophical formula as well.
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Self exists; has a body and mind; thinks and has issues.
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It is a rather absurd way of solving problems. If a mind creates thoughts that lead to issues, one needs to train the mind to keep such thoughts at bay and indulge in positive thoughts rather than getting rid of the mind itself.
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Those issues shape a person though. Won't it be boring if people aren't different from each other?
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SELF creates thoughts without engaging and engages with thoughts without creating.
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