Courage vs Desperation

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Courage vs Desperation

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This topic is about the August 2022 Philosophy Book of the Month, Living in Color: A Love Story, In Sickness and in Health by Mike Murphy


“Courage is the discovery that you may not win, and trying when you know you can lose.” Tom Krause
(Location 127 - Kindle version)

People sometimes (or more than sometimes) say that participating is what matters rather than winning. Some say trying and loosing is better than doing nothing. The above-mentioned quote from the book gives more or less a similar idea.

I agree that some may find this encouraging. But I see this as a desperate measure to make a loss more palatable and easy to digest. It is an attempt to give some value to the lost party, although they remain as losers at the end of the day. What do you think?
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This is what losers say when they lose, while winners take home the trophy. This goes along with "beauty is on the inside." It can be argued this is what only ugly people say (pulled reference from the movie Liar Liar lolol).

Dangerous ideas such as this has led to "participation trophies" for kids when they lose. They are rewarded for literally, nothing. They are conditioned for reward with minimal/zero effort soooo why even try if I still get the cookies?
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JDBowden wrote: August 6th, 2022, 3:02 pm This is what losers say when they lose, while winners take home the trophy. This goes along with "beauty is on the inside." It can be argued this is what only ugly people say (pulled reference from the movie Liar Liar lolol).

Dangerous ideas such as this has led to "participation trophies" for kids when they lose. They are rewarded for literally, nothing. They are conditioned for reward with minimal/zero effort soooo why even try if I still get the cookies?
Several things. First, while ugly people find solace in the idea of internal beauty, this fact doesn't lower the value of the initial comment for folks of all types of external beauty. I have a different view about the rewarding participation. No one, least of all the non winners, confuse a first place trophy with a participant reward, so I don't observe entitlement issues in that scenario. The winner feels exactly the same whether he has the only reward or if everyone gets something. Thus the only difference is to the non winners. What's the effect of running a race of 100 and handing out one reward? To the winner it's great, but to 99% it's not great. Doesn't sound like a very good way to grow the sport.

As to the OP, when evaluating acts of "courage" or "bravery" or "heroism" one must take into account what the alternative to performing the act in question is. And if the alternative is ridiculous, the original act is ordinary, not heroic.
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Sushan wrote: August 6th, 2022, 4:53 am This topic is about the August 2022 Philosophy Book of the Month, Living in Color: A Love Story, In Sickness and in Health by Mike Murphy


“Courage is the discovery that you may not win, and trying when you know you can lose.” Tom Krause
(Location 127 - Kindle version)

People sometimes (or more than sometimes) say that participating is what matters rather than winning. Some say trying and loosing is better than doing nothing. The above-mentioned quote from the book gives more or less a similar idea.

I agree that some may find this encouraging. But I see this as a desperate measure to make a loss more palatable and easy to digest. It is an attempt to give some value to the lost party, although they remain as losers at the end of the day. What do you think?
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