Right to vote at national elections; should it be given to all or should people be filtered?

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Sushan wrote: October 28th, 2022, 5:53 am
LuckyR wrote: October 27th, 2022, 9:24 pm
Sushan wrote: October 27th, 2022, 7:14 pm
LuckyR wrote: October 10th, 2022, 1:51 am

Fair questions, here's the answers. Private education always caters to small numbers of the upper classes, ie those who actually "need" the specific value of education the least, therefore it makes the least impact on the society. Public education is consumed by far greater total numbers quantitatively and cannot refuse the unwilling, the underprepared and the disadvantaged (like private schools do) qualitatively. Thus high quality public education has a far greater potential to improve understanding in the population.

Of course some are uneducable, everyone knows that. If you think about it though, that group is heavily weighted towards nonvoters, so it's not really statistically important for the topic of this thread.
I agree that those who go for private education only covers a minority out of the voting population. But I am not sure whether those who go for private education are actually the ones who are willing to get educated and know the true value of education. Today, what matters is not the education, but the certificate. So most people (whether in private sector or government sector) target only for the qualification that will get them a decent job, rather than proper education that will make them better.
Actually when studied, its neither (the education nor the certificate), its the class and wealth of the family (parents).
I am sorry but I did not get you. Did you relate to choosing private education over the state supported education, or did you relate to the expected outcome of the people who choose private education over the state supported education?

If it is the latter, I know people of wealthy families who obtained MBBS but never worked as a doctor. They just needed the title. Since they already have enough money, what they sought was respect and social acceptance. So they chose an educational certificate in a respectable field.
Oh sorry, I believe we are talking about two different things. I am talking about what dictates success after schooling is completed. The highest echelons may go to fancy schools, get fancy educations and fancy degrees but their uncharacteristically good outcomes have more to do with connections to the powerful (typically through their parents) than the school, education or degree.
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InfinityMuse wrote: October 28th, 2022, 5:42 pm In Australia do the electorates represent people based on subjugation ( ie. work performance, jobs, job duties, strata of class, sociology, redlining or non redlining of economic sectors of finance, Polly econ, jurist duties, jurisdiction, so on and so Fourth)?
No, none of that. Electorates are areas, defined by lines on a map.
InfinityMuse wrote: October 28th, 2022, 5:42 pm In the United States, the electoral college system is the most un-regulated program. The swing states are one thing counting the popular and house vote is the simple part.
The problem is the responsibility vote and the delegation system, witch have kerfunkled the senate filibusters. The serpentine on the senate and people is horrendous.
The US system does seem a bit weird, but then again some might think it weird to have compulsory voting like in Australia. Your post which I have quoted does not help de-mystify the US system, I must admit.
What does the sentence 'The swing states are one thing counting the popular and house vote is the simple part' mean?
What is 'the responsibility vote' and how does it kerfunkle the senate filibusters? What would be a better course of action, when dealing with senate filibusters?
And how could 'The serpentine on the senate and people is horrendous' be explained?
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Robert66 wrote: October 29th, 2022, 2:50 pm
No, none of that. Electorates are areas, defined by lines on a map.
I think the lines on a map is such a vague concept. Votes are statistical identifiers of will or no will for a projected outcome in total.
I doubt you know the process of the judiciary committee and/or judicial policy making. How judicial policy making, as a tool, can regulate research related voting , constituency, and the judges will of moral Sentiments to resolutions Greatly affects the process of approving or dis-approving political candidates. Voting is the biggest process that can keep a bad regime in power and keep a favored regime in power or out of power. Statistics from voting patterns are a type of economic and seen as the biggest 'honey pot' of information. One of the biggest arguments against judicial policy making is political. One axiom of these types of politics is similar to selective services. Another axiom is judicial encroachment on sovereignty of the voter. The other is liberal arts the definitions in dictionaries are changing. So our liberty is under duress, Libel, and slander. I would say most voters are not educated in the process of voting and the challengers to voting. A parliamentary model challenges the US voting freedom everyday. Supremacy of everything is the serpentine. 'Powers that be' either want or do not want to stay in power. The Senate filibuster is a process that has not been represented well and is entirely too old for common minds to comprehend. It's a floating political power that can make or break supremacy. The responsibility vote is a floating political power and axiom on change (negative, positive, optimism etc.)
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InfinityMuse wrote: October 29th, 2022, 7:29 pm
Robert66 wrote: October 29th, 2022, 2:50 pm
No, none of that. Electorates are areas, defined by lines on a map.
I think the lines on a map is such a vague concept. Votes are statistical identifiers of will or no will for a projected outcome in total.
I doubt you know the process of the judiciary committee and/or judicial policy making. How judicial policy making, as a tool, can regulate research related voting , constituency, and the judges will of moral Sentiments to resolutions Greatly affects the process of approving or dis-approving political candidates. Voting is the biggest process that can keep a bad regime in power and keep a favored regime in power or out of power. Statistics from voting patterns are a type of economic and seen as the biggest 'honey pot' of information. One of the biggest arguments against judicial policy making is political. One axiom of these types of politics is similar to selective services. Another axiom is judicial encroachment on sovereignty of the voter. The other is liberal arts the definitions in dictionaries are changing. So our liberty is under duress, Libel, and slander. I would say most voters are not educated in the process of voting and the challengers to voting. A parliamentary model challenges the US voting freedom everyday. Supremacy of everything is the serpentine. 'Powers that be' either want or do not want to stay in power. The Senate filibuster is a process that has not been represented well and is entirely too old for common minds to comprehend. It's a floating political power that can make or break supremacy. The responsibility vote is a floating political power and axiom on change (negative, positive, optimism etc.)
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Far from restricting the vote - the vote ought to be compulsory to every adult citizen, and should be rewarded with the a nationally agreed sum equal or greater than the highest local return bus fare.
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I'm quite open to the possibility that the format of the vote counting is a big part of what's to blame, and to that extent I'm curious to see what rank choice voting looks like in practice more states and localities pick it up. The idea is to no longer press politicians into appealing to the most radical 20% of their district in their party. There may be other ways to resolve twisted incentives as such but this seems like it could be a robust first step if the game theory checks out.
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Sculptor1 wrote: October 31st, 2022, 10:17 am Far from restricting the vote - the vote ought to be compulsory to every adult citizen, and should be rewarded with the a nationally agreed sum equal or greater than the highest local return bus fare.
How about free coupons to the hottest slot machine in your area, one guaranteed beer to the local king to authenticate your licence plate to regional tarrifs by your local gang, free tickets to the circus, a free jaunt with a kangaroo 🦘, guaranteed subjugation of limited liabilities for the party system in law, a hat that says "I don't know what I believe in", an I voted sticker that says heretic to all the people on the left and "heresy" to all the people on the right, a free Sub-Way sandwich to keep between your butt cheeks, and a belt that too tight. Oh I forgot to mention you can buy a t shirt from your favorite direct action group and jeans 👖 from Russia and emoji city the video game on your favorite telecom company's app store; from your favorite app developer, the secrete service.
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InfinityMuse wrote: November 1st, 2022, 1:55 am
Sculptor1 wrote: October 31st, 2022, 10:17 am Far from restricting the vote - the vote ought to be compulsory to every adult citizen, and should be rewarded with the a nationally agreed sum equal or greater than the highest local return bus fare.
How about free coupons to the hottest slot machine in your area, one guaranteed beer to the local king to authenticate your licence plate to regional tarrifs by your local gang, free tickets to the circus, a free jaunt with a kangaroo 🦘, guaranteed subjugation of limited liabilities for the party system in law, a hat that says "I don't know what I believe in", an I voted sticker that says heretic to all the people on the left and "heresy" to all the people on the right, a free Sub-Way sandwich to keep between your butt cheeks, and a belt that too tight. Oh I forgot to mention you can buy a t shirt from your favorite direct action group and jeans 👖 from Russia and emoji city the video game on your favorite telecom company's app store; from your favorite app developer, the secrete service.
Why not?
If you are going to make a law that people have to vote them surely paying their bus fair is a good idea.
I'm not sure what you hope to gain with the rest of your verbal, but it does not make sense.
Have you had a brain fugue?
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Sculptor1 wrote: November 1st, 2022, 4:46 am
InfinityMuse wrote: November 1st, 2022, 1:55 am
Sculptor1 wrote: October 31st, 2022, 10:17 am Far from restricting the vote - the vote ought to be compulsory to every adult citizen, and should be rewarded with the a nationally agreed sum equal or greater than the highest local return bus fare.
How about free coupons to the hottest slot machine in your area, one guaranteed beer to the local king to authenticate your licence plate to regional tarrifs by your local gang, free tickets to the circus, a free jaunt with a kangaroo 🦘, guaranteed subjugation of limited liabilities for the party system in law, a hat that says "I don't know what I believe in", an I voted sticker that says heretic to all the people on the left and "heresy" to all the people on the right, a free Sub-Way sandwich to keep between your butt cheeks, and a belt that too tight. Oh I forgot to mention you can buy a t shirt from your favorite direct action group and jeans 👖 from Russia and emoji city the video game on your favorite telecom company's app store; from your favorite app developer, the secrete service.
Why not?
If you are going to make a law that people have to vote them surely paying their bus fair is a good idea.
I'm not sure what you hope to gain with the rest of your verbal, but it does not make sense.
Have you had a brain fugue?
The year I was born the government gave us free tickets to the circus for life.
https://greensboro.com/circus-registeri ... f6539.html
The registrations came late, but we knew about it. But Virginia deported all of their new Borns. The political infatuation is actually the free tickets to circus 🎪 courts for life. The right to vote of the right. The guns to vote for the left
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InfinityMuse wrote: November 1st, 2022, 4:57 am
Sculptor1 wrote: November 1st, 2022, 4:46 am
InfinityMuse wrote: November 1st, 2022, 1:55 am
Sculptor1 wrote: October 31st, 2022, 10:17 am Far from restricting the vote - the vote ought to be compulsory to every adult citizen, and should be rewarded with the a nationally agreed sum equal or greater than the highest local return bus fare.
How about free coupons to the hottest slot machine in your area, one guaranteed beer to the local king to authenticate your licence plate to regional tarrifs by your local gang, free tickets to the circus, a free jaunt with a kangaroo 🦘, guaranteed subjugation of limited liabilities for the party system in law, a hat that says "I don't know what I believe in", an I voted sticker that says heretic to all the people on the left and "heresy" to all the people on the right, a free Sub-Way sandwich to keep between your butt cheeks, and a belt that too tight. Oh I forgot to mention you can buy a t shirt from your favorite direct action group and jeans 👖 from Russia and emoji city the video game on your favorite telecom company's app store; from your favorite app developer, the secrete service.
Why not?
If you are going to make a law that people have to vote them surely paying their bus fair is a good idea.
I'm not sure what you hope to gain with the rest of your verbal, but it does not make sense.
Have you had a brain fugue?
The year I was born the government gave us free tickets to the circus for life.
https://greensboro.com/circus-registeri ... f6539.html
The registrations came late, but we knew about it. But Virginia deported all of their new Borns. The political infatuation is actually the free tickets to circus 🎪 courts for life. The right to vote of the right. The guns to vote for the left
Unless it is true that Barnum& Baily are the "government", I think you might want to read that again.
I can't possibly take you seriously when you makes such silly errors in comprehension.
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Sculptor1 wrote: November 1st, 2022, 6:15 am
InfinityMuse wrote: November 1st, 2022, 4:57 am
Sculptor1 wrote: November 1st, 2022, 4:46 am
InfinityMuse wrote: November 1st, 2022, 1:55 am

How about free coupons to the hottest slot machine in your area, one guaranteed beer to the local king to authenticate your licence plate to regional tarrifs by your local gang, free tickets to the circus, a free jaunt with a kangaroo 🦘, guaranteed subjugation of limited liabilities for the party system in law, a hat that says "I don't know what I believe in", an I voted sticker that says heretic to all the people on the left and "heresy" to all the people on the right, a free Sub-Way sandwich to keep between your butt cheeks, and a belt that too tight. Oh I forgot to mention you can buy a t shirt from your favorite direct action group and jeans 👖 from Russia and emoji city the video game on your favorite telecom company's app store; from your favorite app developer, the secrete service.
Why not?
If you are going to make a law that people have to vote them surely paying their bus fair is a good idea.
I'm not sure what you hope to gain with the rest of your verbal, but it does not make sense.
Have you had a brain fugue?
The year I was born the government gave us free tickets to the circus for life.
https://greensboro.com/circus-registeri ... f6539.html
The registrations came late, but we knew about it. But Virginia deported all of their new Borns. The political infatuation is actually the free tickets to circus 🎪 courts for life. The right to vote of the right. The guns to vote for the left
Unless it is true that Barnum& Baily are the "government", I think you might want to read that again.
I can't possibly take you seriously when you makes such silly errors in comprehension.
But it is not a silly error. Political science is not an error. Barnum&Baily is a figment, an enigma, a dialectic.

The truth is diadactic so is judgment. The problem with the corporate mind is rather the fear of results. The problem with free thinkers is the fear of restraint. Something drives philosophy. Philosophy does what is a contrastive system?
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InfinityMuse wrote: November 1st, 2022, 6:45 am
Sculptor1 wrote: November 1st, 2022, 6:15 am
InfinityMuse wrote: November 1st, 2022, 4:57 am
Sculptor1 wrote: November 1st, 2022, 4:46 am

Why not?
If you are going to make a law that people have to vote them surely paying their bus fair is a good idea.
I'm not sure what you hope to gain with the rest of your verbal, but it does not make sense.
Have you had a brain fugue?
The year I was born the government gave us free tickets to the circus for life.
https://greensboro.com/circus-registeri ... f6539.html
The registrations came late, but we knew about it. But Virginia deported all of their new Borns. The political infatuation is actually the free tickets to circus 🎪 courts for life. The right to vote of the right. The guns to vote for the left
Unless it is true that Barnum& Baily are the "government", I think you might want to read that again.
I can't possibly take you seriously when you makes such silly errors in comprehension.
But it is not a silly error. Political science is not an error. Barnum&Baily is a figment, an enigma, a dialectic.
So Barnum & Bailey are the "government". Is that what you are saying?
Of it is any corporation that offers free stuff?
You might like to lobby these people for more!
https://www.magicfreebiesuk.co.uk/subsc ... m=supplier
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