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If your body very slowly and steadily morphed into an atom-by-atom identical copy of my body, would you still be you?
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As the book explains, there are already two yous and two mes before the morphing even starts.LateefaStarks wrote: ↑January 29th, 2023, 9:54 pm If atom by atom my body morphed into your body then how could remain myself if every atom was now you? Then there would now be 2 yous, atomically speaking by definition
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Scott wrote: ↑November 16th, 2022, 1:57 pm The below question is in a way simply a variation of the opening question of the book, worded very differently.
If over the next 30 years, your body (including your brain) very slowly and steadily morphed into an atom-by-atom identical copy of my body (including my brain), would you still be you?
Would you also be me?
Pauline Parnell, thank you for your reply!Pauline Parnell wrote: ↑January 28th, 2023, 1:10 am If I somehow morphed into looking like you, that does not mean I am you. The outward appearance will look like you, but inwardly I am me. Being me isn't only physical, but also spiritual and mental. I am shaped by my own memories.

Your memories are stored in the brain, which is made of atoms. Once the atom-by-atom morphing is complete, you would have forgotten all of the memories you currently have now (in 2023), and you would then (in 2053) have all the memories that I currently have (in 2023).
So would you still be you?
Would you also be me?
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I agree, assuming of course you are using the word "I" in the sense of what the book calls "the real you".Clara Alston wrote: ↑January 27th, 2023, 10:27 pm Such a fun question! Absolutely, I would still be me because my atoms do not hold my consciousness. If I were to morph into you, it would be a drastic change, but it would not change who I am.
So in that sense when the morphing is done you would still be you, but would you also be me?
I think so.
In fact, as the book discusses, I think there is no way to logically avoid the conclusion that the real you and the real me are one and the same.
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I agree.Shillah Andeso wrote: ↑January 28th, 2023, 2:38 am From my perspective, if my body morphed atom by atom, I would still be me [...] In the same way, I would also be you since my body has formed something new.
For that reason, and for the other reasons explained in detail in the book, I think there is no way to logically avoid the conclusion that the real you and the real me are one in the same. You already are also me, and I already am also you. That is, in the case of the real you and the real you.
It is not the case in terms of the other of the "Two Yous", at least in most senses of the words.
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(1) If your body very slowly and steadily morphed into an atom-by-atom identical copy of my body, would you still be you?
If everything changed, mind, environment, memories, looks, etc. I don't think I would still be me, but I would be you. Unless there was something to trigger my original self like memories, flashbacks, dreams, Deja vu, etc.
(2) If over the next 30 years, your body (including your brain) very slowly and steadily morphed into an atom-by-atom identical copy of my body (including my brain), would you still be you?
I think the answer is the same as above. If everything changed including the brain into you, then I would basically be you. Your brain won't have my memories, emotions, etc., so I would run on your internal workings and growth, so I would be you. I don't think there would be me anymore.
(3) Would you also be me?
I would only be you if everything changed.
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I would think if your brain was changed into different atoms then you wouldn't retain your memories. Memory is stored in pathways in the brain after all.Leasa Ana Maria wrote: ↑February 1st, 2023, 3:38 pm If every part of me, including my brain (I retain my memories), is duplicated in a copy called you, wouldn't you have been me from the beginning? Then I am you, and you are me, but only at that point when we first meet. From there, each of us can make different choices in life that can affect us differently, so we become two very similar individuals but not the same as in the beginning.
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