Thanks for the suggestion, Sir.Scott wrote: ↑November 17th, 2022, 12:11 pmI agree. I would probably use the word 'relationships' instead of 'traits', since the qualities described are presumably extrinsic, not intrinsic, to any individual atom. I think the word 'relationships' implies that more clearly than 'traits', but that's just semantics and surely either word can work to denote the denotative meaning.Silvo wrote: ↑November 17th, 2022, 6:19 am The brain, for instance, requires 100% of certain cells to function normally. I am not a guru in science, but I guess all these cells interact and share "information." So, if atom A in me is replaced with atom B from someone else, atom A will interact with my remaining atoms, bringing in new traits and at the same time absorbing new ones from his new environment. In the end, when all my cells have been replaced, they will have left a copy of their traits in the new ones. At the same time, the new cells will have inherited their traits from their previous host. Therefore, I think it's possible for me to still be me and also be you, but only if the cells were morphed gradually.
If your body very slowly and steadily morphed into an atom-by-atom identical copy of my body, would you still be you?
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Interesting points and questions!Dattatraya wrote: ↑November 17th, 2022, 6:44 am After reading all the posts ( as of now) it's my observation and conclusion, that the original question and the answers opinions/comments/discussion of the participants, are related/concerned (only ) about ' change in the body '.
Why we should not go and think beyond ' body ' ?! ( one member has rightly said: the body is not more than ' simply a vessel for one's life force ' )
The reader/anybody will be in a better position to think about and comment or give opinion, about the original question;
if ' I ' , ' Me '. ' you '. are defined completely .
And what is ' one's life force ' ?
Perhaps, the words "I", "me", and "you"—at least in the sense of what the book refers to as the real you and the real me and the real us—all refer to that which never changes.
That would help explain why few if any would talk about it changing: For then it is something that by definition does not and cannot change.
Then, possibly, we could define the bodily and physical as that which is under constant flux, meaning that which constantly changing.
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I am happy to have my points and questions answered brilliantly!Scott wrote: ↑November 17th, 2022, 12:26 pmInteresting points and questions!Dattatraya wrote: ↑November 17th, 2022, 6:44 am After reading all the posts ( as of now) it's my observation and conclusion, that the original question and the answers opinions/comments/discussion of the participants, are related/concerned (only ) about ' change in the body '.
Why we should not go and think beyond ' body ' ?! ( one member has rightly said: the body is not more than ' simply a vessel for one's life force ' )
The reader/anybody will be in a better position to think about and comment or give opinion, about the original question;
if ' I ' , ' Me '. ' you '. are defined completely .
And what is ' one's life force ' ?
Perhaps, the words "I", "me", and "you"—at least in the sense of what the book refers to as the real you and the real me and the real us—all refer to that which never changes.
That would help explain why few if any would talk about it changing: For then it is something that by definition does not and cannot change.
Then, possibly, we could define the bodily and physical as that which is under constant flux, meaning that which constantly changing.
And I believe in ' we ' rather than 'I' , ' you ' !
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What if the atom-by-atom copy of me was made with the actual atoms from my original body?Bertha Jackson wrote: ↑November 17th, 2022, 12:56 pm Even though we may appear to be the same person, I do not believe our souls will change. Therefore, we would still be two separate individuals who may look and think alike.
For example, what if somehow, the atoms in your body were swapped out one-by-one with the atoms from my body, such that your body didn't merely become a copy of mine but also became a literal re-creation (along the lines of the Star Trek transporter) of mine with the actual atoms that currently make up mine?
Or vice versa: What if mine become a copy of yours, with your memories and everything?
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Very well said the Truth!mrlefty0706 wrote: ↑November 19th, 2022, 12:36 am I have read several of the replies to this topic and I can see how readers have different perspectives. I agree with the author that one would be an identical copy of the other since it is atom by atom including the brain. The only difference that cannot be duplicated is one's soul since it is not a physical part of the body but is an extremely important part of every human being. I do believe that people like Putin are soulless but that should stimulate a different topic.
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How would this question relate to the individuals we care and love so much? Would we then shift the love we have to another significant other? Or shift the love we have for our children for other children?
Does that make sense?
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' Our children 'hsimone wrote: ↑November 19th, 2022, 12:59 pm Okay, I’m going to take a chance in asking a question.
How would this question relate to the individuals we care and love so much? Would we then shift the love we have to another significant other? Or shift the love we have for our children for other children?
Does that make sense?
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'Other children '
What may be the change after
' Transformation ' predicted : There will be no existence of ' our ' and ' other '!
Here comes in the picture: The Soul !
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Mayuri Kotalawala wrote: ↑November 20th, 2022, 2:14 am Even if the atoms were replacas or originals, the vessel will have my essence(soul or whatever). So even though I look like you & think like you, I will have my experiences, memories etc. Unless your essence comes into my vessel too. But I think it's only one essence per body.
Essence can't be soul .
'Existence ' is soul
Essence will be essence only if and when sensed by body ( Senses : smell ) !
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That makes sense.Dattatraya wrote: ↑November 20th, 2022, 4:47 am' Our children 'hsimone wrote: ↑November 19th, 2022, 12:59 pm Okay, I’m going to take a chance in asking a question.
How would this question relate to the individuals we care and love so much? Would we then shift the love we have to another significant other? Or shift the love we have for our children for other children?
Does that make sense?
And
'Other children '
What may be the change after
' Transformation ' predicted : There will be no existence of ' our ' and ' other '!
Here comes in the picture: The Soul !
Guess I don’t really want to think about not knowing and loving my own children since that makes it sound like none of this matters. That everything we’ve gone through to become the family that we are means nothing. Then, if none of what we do matters, then what’s the point of doing anything at all.
This is probably the most philosophical I’ve ever been!
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hsimone wrote: ↑November 20th, 2022, 3:37 pmThat makes sense.Dattatraya wrote: ↑November 20th, 2022, 4:47 am' Our children 'hsimone wrote: ↑November 19th, 2022, 12:59 pm Okay, I’m going to take a chance in asking a question.
How would this question relate to the individuals we care and love so much? Would we then shift the love we have to another significant other? Or shift the love we have for our children for other children?
Does that make sense?
And
'Other children '
What may be the change after
' Transformation ' predicted : There will be no existence of ' our ' and ' other '!
Here comes in the picture: The Soul !
Guess I don’t really want to think about not knowing and loving my own children since that makes it sound like none of this matters. That everything we’ve gone through to become the family that we are means nothing. Then, if none of what we do matters, then what’s the point of doing anything at all.
This is probably the most philosophical I’ve ever been!
" Then, if none of what we do matters, then what’s the point of doing anything at all. "
It is Not like that at all!
Whatever we do is directed by our Mind. And maybe by Soul.
The value of our acts is always included in the work itself.
There is no need to think about the intention and result.
If we are honest and genuine, we will get satisfaction and happiness!
I am happy with your response.
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