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Don't take any advice from unhappy people.
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Re: Don't take any advice from unhappy people.
Yes, that's true.Jack King 2 wrote: ↑March 5th, 2023, 2:36 pm You can definitely learn from someone else’s mistakes though.

It reflects what I wrote in one of my earlier replies in this topic:
Since there is plenty of truly happy people who are experts in any given field, there is generally little need to use roundabout ways to learn though.Scott wrote: ↑March 3rd, 2023, 4:36 pm Sure, one way to achieve a certain goal is to listen to what people who failed to achieve did and then do the opposite (or at least go of your way to not do what they did).
I wouldn't call that taking their advice. I'd call it learning from their bad example. It's the opposite of using them as a role model. We could call it using them as an anti-role-model.
If you are looking for directions to a place, you can use process of elimination: Learning, one by one, each route that is incorrect. However, if there are plenty of happy people who have successfully gone from where you are to the place to which you want directions, it will be much easiest, quicker, and more effective to ask them.
One role model is worth more than infinite anti-role-models.
We do learn something by learning that a wrong answer is wrong, but one right answer is worth a million known-to-be-wrong answers.
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Sure, but even a broken clock is right twice day.
In the Original Post (OP), I never said that the weight loss advice from an obese person is definitely going to be wrong.
When I am looking to get advice, I'm not looking to take advice from someone who is merely not definitely wrong.
If one person gives advice that is 80% reliable, and another person gives advice that is 90% reliable, then I will take the 90% reliable advice.
That is why in the very first paragraph of the OP, I write "in this human form, time, energy, money, and resources are very limited".
I only have time to read a teeny tiny fraction of books that have been written. I can only watch a teeny tiny percentage of lectures. I can only go on a handful of difference exercise or diet plans.
It's not about finding advice that isn't the worst. It's about knowing how to be ultra-selective and pick out the advice that is absolutely most reliable.
All else the same, the fact that someone is themselves morbidly obese is a red flag that their advice is not going to be as reliable to work as someone who is at least as qualified/reliable by all other measures but who also has the qualification of having proved their advice works by putting it into practice themselves. That person's advice is more reliable.
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Hi, Zainab Wasif,Zainab Wasif wrote: ↑March 13th, 2023, 3:47 am I partially agree that one must not take advice from unhappy people but it varies with each person and situation. While it’s true that if unhappy people really knew how to be happy, they would not be in their current state but the same people can advise you to avoid the mistakes they made which led to their unhappiness.
Thank you for your reply!

I agree that, for the reason you state, an unhappy person's advice isn't necessarily wrong.
But we aren't looking for advice that isn't the worst possible advice ever. That would be like choosing a book to read based on it not being the worst book ever, or choosing to read a book because you expect it to be no worse than mediocre.
There's a very, very important reason that the first line of the Original Post (OP) includes the words, "in this human form, time, energy, money, and resources are very limited."
We can only read so few of the books out there to read. We can only take advice and/or test out advice from so few people out there that are giving advice.
We cannot afford to take advice that is merely decently reliable if there is even more reliable advice out there.
There are so many highly qualified happy people offering advice about any given thing. You don't have enough time to take advice from all the happy people and the unhappy people. You don't have time to take advice from both (1) the super reliable and (2) the merely decently reliable. Good is not good enough in this case, because time, money, resources, and energy are all so limited.
For example, in a human lifetime you can only at most test out a handful of different diet and exercise plans. There's millions of fitness books out there and millions of people offering fitness and diet advice. There's millions of different exercise and diet plans. The weight loss advice from a morbidly obese person might not be the least reliable of all the millions of options out there, and it might not be wrong, but there are too many more reliable options out there to settle for one that has that red flag. It's much more reliable to instead take advice from someone who has all the same qualifications but also has proven their advice works by putting it into practice themselves using themselves as a test subject and case example to show their advice works.
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Some people may be seeking advice not because they want to be happy. They are probably looking for a way to stir violence.
However, I completely agree with the quote. Why look for better, if best is available.
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For me, I would say it's all about individuality. How we perceive ourselves and, in turn, how others perceive us. People may be unhappy for whatever reasons, but that doesn’t always mean they exist in that state. Unhappiness is something that has a temporal nature. Therefore, it is determined by numerous outcomes that only exist within a particular period. By not taking advice from unhappy people is simply excluding yourself from the emotional aspect from a humanistic approach. It all has to do with the individual’s character and if they resonate with a situation both of you are familiar with. Sharing experiences acknowledges the ability for two individuals to interact in the most unique and profound manner. As a result, it is through such efforts that we find how meaningful a particular advice can be. Thus, we ask ourselves, "Is it worth it?”Bertha Jackson wrote: ↑January 25th, 2023, 3:02 pm I think it depends on why the person is unhappy. If a person is unhappy because their loved one has died or left them, and they give me advice for the same reason, I may listen to them. Many people tried to advise me when my husband died, but they had never experienced what I was going through, so I did not listen to them. However, I had unhappy people, who had recently gone through the same experience, and I tended to listen to what they had to say more closely than the others.
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So, I agree with Scott's point here. How would it help if you take advice from someone; who has been unable to practice happiness or to be at peace with themselves? If their advice was indeed helpful, wouldn't their happiness prove it? And if their advice brings you lots of success and financial gain but eventually leads you to a path of unhappiness, then would it really be good advice?
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