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1. If you went to sleep in your body in your bed with your memories, and awoke in my body in my bed with my memories instead of yours, would you notice a difference?
I believe yes, I would notice a difference. From my personal standpoint, I believe there is more to "me" than my physical being, than my memories even. My soul, which carries so much more than this physical entity, would still be me.
2. Would there even be a difference to notice?
Yes, there would be a great difference to notice. Although we are connected on many levels, all humans, we are still individuals. There is something so much deeper than the physical aspects of this life. Our true intentions and feelings lie deep within our souls. Even changing the memories, surroundings and physical entity would not replace the soul itself, which makes each and everyone of us completely unique.
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Scott wrote: ↑December 15th, 2022, 2:05 pm
The opening question in the newest edition of the book was slightly updated based on reader feedback and a vote held for readers of the book. Namely, the phrase "instead of yours" was added to the question to clarify it. The current clarified version of the question (which is really two questions) is as follows:
If you went to sleep in your body in your bed with your memories, and awoke in my body in my bed with my memories instead of yours, would you notice a difference? Would there even be a difference to notice?
What's your answer to those two questions?
Sorry, Scott, I see this question in the Schroedinger's cat scenario. If you cannot perceive it, then you cannot know it; therefore, it is both you and me, yet neither is until it is perceived to be other. The memories would either be yours or belong to no one. Your memory is yours and cannot be perceived by others; a shared memory is a fallible memory, for the two sides will always see only their memory.
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I agree, so let me then ask: was there even a change?Hubre De Klerk wrote: ↑January 31st, 2023, 8:25 am I don't think you would notice any difference as you would essentially be that person. Unless there is something to make you wonder like flashbacks, dreams, and feelings of Deja Vu, I don't think you would know there was any change at all.
I think there would be no change to know of.
To me the question is of the same form as asking, if you went to sleep on Planet Earth and woke up in the Milky Way Galaxy, would you notice a difference? Would there even be a difference to notice?
As I see it, the answer is this: You wouldn't notice a difference because there is no difference to notice.
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I agree, so then that brings us to the second question: Would there even be a difference to notice?Leasa Ana Maria wrote: ↑February 1st, 2023, 3:44 pm If my original memory were wiped out, I do not think I would notice a difference.
I believe there would be no difference notice.
To me the question is of the same form as asking, if you went to sleep on Planet Earth and woke up in the Milky Way Galaxy, would you notice a difference? Would there even be a difference to notice?
As I see it, the answer is this: You wouldn't notice a difference because there is no difference to notice.
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Can you tell me more about how your innate nature differs from mine?book+lover-people wrote: ↑February 2nd, 2023, 12:32 am I think that despite waking up in someone else's body with their memories, there would be subtle differences. My innate nature would peak through...
What is it that is determined or affected by our differing innate natures that does not correspond to our memories, brain structure, and atom-by-atom makeup?
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How?Hellen Muriithi wrote: ↑February 3rd, 2023, 11:05 am I would notice a difference. It would be impossible to not notice the variable. I could tell immediately that I was in another body [...]
Your memory would be that you went to bed in my body and my bed, which is also where you woke up, so from your perspective/memory you would have gone to sleep in the same bed and body in which you woke up. When you look in the mirror, you would remember having seen the same face in the mirror the night before.
So what difference would you notice exactly, and how would you notice it, since you would have my memories instead of yours?
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How is your soul different than mine? How is (1) the combination of my body (including its brain and memories) plus my soul different from (2) the combination of my body plus your soul?Meghan Sica wrote: ↑February 5th, 2023, 10:51 pm My answer to the two questions posed above:
1. If you went to sleep in your body in your bed with your memories, and awoke in my body in my bed with my memories instead of yours, would you notice a difference?
I believe yes, I would notice a difference. From my personal standpoint, I believe there is more to "me" than my physical being, than my memories even. My soul, which carries so much more than this physical entity, would still be me.
In a sense, I think I can agree that there is more to you than the physical, just as I would likewise agree that there is more to me than just the physical. So my question is in terms of only that extra stuff, what is it that is noticeably different about my extra stuff (i.e. my soul) than your extra stuff (i.e. your soul)?
How can you be sure there even is a difference to notice?
I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure that is demonstrably not the case. I think the science, namely the neuroscience, is pretty clear on that. The feelings and intentions are of the mind (i.e. the brain) not the spirit or soul. The spirit/soul/consciousness experiences the feelings, but the atomic, molecular, and neurological makeup of the nervous system and brain determines what those feelings are. Peanut butter doesn't taste good or gross to one person and not another because of differences in their soul, but because of atomic, molecular, and biochemical makeup of the body (including the brain).Meghan Sica wrote: ↑February 5th, 2023, 10:51 pm Our true intentions and feelings lie deep within our souls.
If peanut butter tastes bad to me today and good to you today, and you wake up tomorrow in my body in my bed with my memories and brain instead of your memories and brain, then peanut will taste bad to you tomorrow despite good to you today. Right?
Likewise, if waterbeds feel bad to me today and good to you today, and you wake up tomorrow in my body in a waterbed that I went to sleep in feeling bad the night before, then the waterbed will feel bad to you tomorrow. Right?
I may be misunderstanding what you mean, but I think the reasoning here is a bit circular. You are assuming our soul(s) are different.Meghan Sica wrote: ↑February 5th, 2023, 10:51 pm Even changing the memories, surroundings and physical entity would not replace the soul itself, which makes each and everyone of us completely unique.
In a sense, I believe you have a soul, and I have soul, but I don't see any reason to think those would-be two souls are different. I believe they are identical.
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And to mimic what Scott said in the opener, this is definitely one of my favorite quotes in the book:
"The mind is a wonderful servant but a terrible master."
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What made me come to this conclusion was that fact that cells might hold memories. People who have had an organ transplant have gain some new likes and dislikes. My Aunt had a heart transplant, before she couldn't stand the tast of Mt.Dew, but now, it's not her favorite, but she will drink it. Many people have reported small things like this happening, what if we aren't thinking big enough?
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