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Re: 2017 Eclipse

Post by -1- » August 27th, 2017, 12:05 am

-1- wrote:What about the total eclipse of the heart, Greta.
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My heart is a brown dwarf so, even if it was eclipsed, no one would notice :)
Come, come now. There must be a crack where the light gets in.
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Re: 2017 Eclipse

Post by Greta » August 27th, 2017, 1:26 am

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-1- wrote:What about the total eclipse of the heart, Greta.
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My heart is a brown dwarf so, even if it was eclipsed, no one would notice :)
Come, come now. There must be a crack where the light gets in.
When that happens I tend to use Betadine and a Band Aid.

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Re: 2017 Eclipse

Post by Steve3007 » August 27th, 2017, 7:31 am

Greta:
Of course, all of this is very easy to take for granted but I find it much more fun not to :)
Me too. It's tragic enough that we exist in this extraordinary universe for such a short sliver of time without compounding the tragedy by ignoring it.
In the meantime, some experiments suggest that photo taking does enhance memory of the photographed
Interesting article. I think it shows that participation helps memory. Perhaps it's similar to taking notes in lectures. Writing down notes in university lectures can help to remember what was said even if you throw the notes away at the end of the lecture.

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What about the total eclipse of the heart, Greta.
I've read that downloads of that song spiked massively before the eclipse.
"Once upon a time I was falling in love. Now I'm only falling apart." Bonnie Tyler, the Shakespeare of the 1980s.

I myself created a Spotify playlist for the trip but sadly the kids refused to let me play it. It included that song but also the more appropriate "New Moon on Monday" by Duran Duran.

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Re: 2017 Eclipse

Post by -1- » August 27th, 2017, 10:37 am

Greta: this is a combined answer to parts (not the whole) of you previous two posts, so I can't quote you to which I am replying.

1. Band-aid sized cut? Sliver of time to witness the tragedy? Well, every sliver has as silver lining.

2. What about the "Dark Side of the Moon?" It is aptest during a solar eclipse. THEN we are all on the dark side of the Moon, on the wrong side of the tracks, and in the underside of the yellow underbelly of society.

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Steve3007 wrote: "Once upon a time I was falling in love. Now I'm only falling apart." Bonnie Tyler, the Shakespeare of the 1980s.
Can you also name the Philosopher (also a songwriter) of the 1980s, Steve?
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Re: 2017 Eclipse

Post by Steve3007 » August 27th, 2017, 11:22 am

Can you also name the Philosopher (also a songwriter) of the 1980s, Steve?
If you mean somebody who is explicitly associated with the 1980s and had their heyday during that decade, as opposed to somebody who merely happened to still be alive during that period, I'd have to say Steven Patrick Morrissey. But only if you take all of His proclamations with a large pinch of salt and tongue in the cheek. I was a big fan in my youth.

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And of course Nigel Blackwell.

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Incidentally, this topic, as they so often do, has rambled away from its original subject matter just as the moon rambled away from the sun. Given that I started the topic, is that allowed if I permit it? Or do I have to remain in the cage of my own making? Just like the God who created evil by bowing to the laws of logic, are we not omnipotent even in the universes that we ourselves create?

Also: Dark Side of the Moon. Yes. Obviously very appropriate.

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Re: 2017 Eclipse

Post by -1- » August 27th, 2017, 2:05 pm

Keep on rambling, Rumbler. It is in the rules, as I vaguely remember, to keep to the topic, but there is no suggested punishment to mete out if someone rambles.

I don't know Steve Patrick Morrissey (unless you are him, and then I know you a bit.) And I don't know Nigel Blackwell. So I may be wrong in my assessment (sp? Ranvier, are you listening?).

In my esteem it is Edie Brickell who is the singing philosopher.

"Philosophy... is a walk on a slippery rock, religion... is a light in the fog."
"Philosophy... is a talk on a cereal box, religion... is a smile on a dog."
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Re: 2017 Eclipse

Post by Greta » August 27th, 2017, 6:07 pm

-1- wrote:Greta: this is a combined answer to parts (not the whole) of you previous two posts, so I can't quote you to which I am replying.

1. Band-aid sized cut? Sliver of time to witness the tragedy? Well, every sliver has as silver lining.

1. What about the "Dark Side of the Moon?" It is aptest during a solar eclipse. THEN we are all on the dark side of the Moon, on the wrong side of the tracks, and in the underside of the yellow underbelly of society.
2. "Sliver" is a word out of fashion. I think the last time I heard the word was the 1990s movie "Sliver", of which I remember nothing except that it had a Basic Instinct vibe, high rise buildings were involved

2. Wouldn't the darkest side of the moon be the one facing Earth?

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Steve3007 wrote:Greta:
Of course, all of this is very easy to take for granted but I find it much more fun not to :)
Me too. It's tragic enough that we exist in this extraordinary universe for such a short sliver of time without compounding the tragedy by ignoring it.
"Sliver" ... :)

It does all seem to be a gyp, doesn't it?

Out of billions of people, two people do the deed. They are fertile. One egg out of many millions, one sperm of many billions. The fertilisation is successful. The mother says healthy. Each developmental stage of gestation works out. Sufficient support is provided to prevent a still birth. The parents are sufficiently decent, responsible and competent enough to raise the child to adulthood. The child needs to be lucky enough that the experimental risks of youth don't have ultimate consequences.

After all that, the person gets another 40 or 50 lively years and then a decade or two dominated by the struggle to stay in one piece. I suppose, in the light of this, and, being dwarfed by an impossibly huge, powerful and mysterious cosmos, it's understandable that people choose to live as humans are all that matters. Blinkers helps the horse stay on task.

Steve3007 wrote:Interesting article. I think it shows that participation helps memory. Perhaps it's similar to taking notes in lectures. Writing down notes in university lectures can help to remember what was said even if you throw the notes away at the end of the lecture.
Yes, the kinaesthetic influence. At school I found that I never needed to use cheat notes that I risked a couple of times. I remembered them better than anything :)

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Re: 2017 Eclipse

Post by -1- » August 28th, 2017, 7:01 pm

Greta wrote: It does all seem to be a gyp, doesn't it?

Out of billions of people, two people do the deed. They are fertile. One egg out of many millions, one sperm of many billions. The fertilisation is successful. The mother says healthy. Each developmental stage of gestation works out. Sufficient support is provided to prevent a still birth. The parents are sufficiently decent, responsible and competent enough to raise the child to adulthood. The child needs to be lucky enough that the experimental risks of youth don't have ultimate consequences.

After all that, the person gets another 40 or 50 lively years and then a decade or two dominated by the struggle to stay in one piece. I suppose, in the light of this, and, being dwarfed by an impossibly huge, powerful and mysterious cosmos, it's understandable that people choose to live as humans are all that matters. Blinkers helps the horse stay on task.
I can't but answer with a poem I have written some time ago:

Internet Date in Cafe

She looks like her own grandmother
As I step through the door
She prims her eyebrows once again
Coz I stepped in; to her, a man.

We quickly identify ourselves
And I sit, brushing the snow off my head
She asks how the drive was here
I say, I took the subway. (I don’t care.)

She already has her cup
It sits between her two d-cups
My eyes, if wondered, god help me
As we all know... hell hath no fury.

We exchange some niceties,
We talk of work, of families,
She learns I don’t work, the fire
Goes colder one notch in her eyes.

I learn she had a bad divorce,
Fifteen kids, she raised them all,
She worked and slaved and for what?
To sit in there, in the warm, for naught.

I say I was accomplished once
And had a fat job, but all I lost
For I quit the rat race, had enough
Better off on small income.

She somehow gets through, I don’t know how
She perhaps senses I don’t see a cow
When I look at her. She smells my pheromones
Gets a bit aroused... then she goes

“I can never have sex again, sorry...
They took most of it, with them, no glory
In child birth, in a womb prolapsed
You have your viagra, sugar and prostate,

“We both know it’s impossible
Yet we seek, we search, it’s that simple
For nature has been outgrown
By men and women; we are prone

“To die, yet we remain
In hope, to find the ultimate domain
Of heaven, here on earth,
The eternal search for love’s rebirth.

“So let us drink, from this chalice
Of Second Cup, or of Starbucks,
No sex; coffee is what we do now,
Tomorrow? Gad... I don’t know.”

We drink up, we depart,
Into the snow, into the dark,
One small step for a man, out of the shop,
One giant leap for a man, toward his plot.
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Re: 2017 Eclipse

Post by Greta » August 28th, 2017, 11:45 pm

Well written verse for those inclined to art with that Rockwellesque homey vibe. You are seemingly a romantic. Poor bustard. It's a difficult state of being for a human, with one's happiness always hinging on others' whims.

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Re: 2017 Eclipse

Post by -1- » August 29th, 2017, 11:26 am

Greta wrote:Well written verse for those inclined to art with that Rockwellesque homey vibe. You are seemingly a romantic. Poor bustard. It's a difficult state of being for a human, with one's happiness always hinging on others' whims.
There are two kinds of us in this sense: one who measures his own worth in the eyes of others, in the reactions he receives from his actions; and the other, who feels independent for self-worth of other's esteem of him.

I learned hard and still haven't accomplished fully to be unapologetic about belonging to the first group.

And changing your own nature is impossible. A leopard can't change the spots on its own leotard. The poor bustard...
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Re: 2017 Eclipse

Post by Steve3007 » August 29th, 2017, 11:52 am

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In my esteem it is Edie Brickell who is the singing philosopher.
I know her name but haven't listened to her music. I'll give it a go.

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Re: 2017 Eclipse

Post by -1- » August 29th, 2017, 4:13 pm

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In my esteem it is Edie Brickell who is the singing philosopher.
I know her name but haven't listened to her music. I'll give it a go.
I don't know if you'll sue me for false advertising... the only philosophy I heard by her I've already quoted. There may be more, but I'm unaware of it.

What she said was powerful enough for me... I'm sentimental, and she got me there.
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Re: 2017 Eclipse

Post by Greta » August 29th, 2017, 7:52 pm

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Greta wrote:Well written verse for those inclined to art with that Rockwellesque homey vibe. You are seemingly a romantic. Poor bustard. It's a difficult state of being for a human, with one's happiness always hinging on others' whims.
There are two kinds of us in this sense: one who measures his own worth in the eyes of others, in the reactions he receives from his actions; and the other, who feels independent for self-worth of other's esteem of him.

I learned hard and still haven't accomplished fully to be unapologetic about belonging to the first group.

And changing your own nature is impossible. A leopard can't change the spots on its own leotard. The poor bustard...
No need to apologise, I'm the anti-social one (for which I don't apologise either). I do like, respect, admire and am amused by others, and I appreciate that much of humanity's success has stemmed from people hassling each other about what they should do. I simply became bored with others' "shoulds" based on weak evidence.

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Re: 2017 Eclipse

Post by aveenire » August 19th, 2019, 12:20 am

I've actually had the privilege to twice witness "annular" eclipses where the moon fully intersects the sun's path but, because it is at its orbital apogee, it is too small to fully block the sun, thereby creating a "ring of fire" in the sky. Unbelievably beautiful both times,

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Re: 2017 Eclipse

Post by Steve3007 » September 5th, 2019, 4:27 am

Interesting. Where did you see those two annular eclipses?

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