New president of US

[Misty]

[quote="Belindi"]

"Yes, I know that many women voted for Trump and it's easy to see that many women too have swallowed the bait of the macho messiah."


Trump was reared by a strong mother as well as the men in his life. Trump had strong wives that were intricate to rearing
strong children. Trump is well aware of the need for a balance of good men teamed with good women. I am proud to say
I voted for Trump. I am also proud to say I did not vote either time for Obama.

Misty

[Spiral Out]

I am proud to say I voted for Trump.

You should be held personally responsible for the damage he will do to the country since his character and blatant disregard for this country are abundantly obvious. The evidence is available to anyone who cares to see it.

Shouldn't a person's vote be their right, but more importantly, be held personally responsible for it?

Voice your opinion here: Responsibility to Vote vs. Responsibility for the Vote

[Dolphin42]

No. I don't think voters should be held directly, individually responsible for the future actions of the person they voted for, even if it seems clear to other people what those future actions are going to be. It reminds me too much of the "justifications" given by terrorists who deliberately kill a random selection of innocent people because, they argue, those people are citizens of a democracy with whose elected government they regard themselves as being at war.

Obviously not as extreme as that. It just reminds me of it.

[Gertie]

I think it's fairly clear why a lot of people voted for Trump, not really because he's this Alpha Male Big Daddy Messiah figure, I think that helped some put their faith in him as it's definitely got psychological and archetypal appeal.

I think his dog whistles resonated with many people, he latched onto their disillusion and disaffection and rather than offer policies, he mostly offered people to blame, and himself as the solution. And a rejection of a sort of way of thinking about their society which didn't sit well with them. Out of touch self-serving Elites, Political Correctness and Identity Politics which felt like it positioned them as the baddies, a loss of pride in themselves, their identity group, and their country, as special, or at least normative.

All that can resonate very strongly with people, evoke tribal instincts and so on, so you don't concentrate on actual policies, you vote for Your Guy who understands you and your concerns, and will 'do the right thing' for you. He gets it, he won't call you 'Racist!' because you're worried about immigrants taking your job, bringing down wages, he tells it like it is!

But most of all they voted for change. They felt alienated, left behind. Like they were the ones being left out of the new narratives of what America is, should be. And crucially weren't feeling the way things were going would bring them and their kids a better life. More secure, , prosperous, confident and respected.

Clinton they saw as offering more of the same, part of the problem. She basically acted like a responsible grown up politician, and treated people like responsible grown ups, explained the complex realities and offered realistic practical solutions, which didn't look much different from the way things are. Trump was promising change. Jobs, prosperity, security, self-respect. Everything you want. Just leave it to me, Daddy will make it all better. So why not vote for him, give him a chance.

[Belindi]

@ Gertie.

Best psychological analysis of Trumpist voters.

[Misty]

@ Gertie.

Best psychological analysis of Trumpist voters.

No, just the psychological analysis of sore losers with eye's wide shut!

[Dolphin42]

Misty, do you agree with the Trump administration that the religion of Islam is a cancer?

[Misty]

Misty, do you agree with the Trump administration that the religion of Islam is a cancer?

I think the Trump administration believes that some form of the Islam religion has taken on a radical murderous view

NOT shared by most Muslims, and to this, I agree.

[Dolphin42]

You seem to disagree with Michael Flynn, the man that President Elect Trump has appointed National Security Adviser - the top man advising the future Trump administration on how to keep the country secure. Given that he has labelled 2.7 million american citizens as part of a cancer, I wonder what we can expect of him? In the recent past in another part of the world, an ethnic groups that was regarded en masse as a threat was required to make their ethnic origin known with stars sewn onto their clothing. Perhaps a crescent moon would be more appropriate here? Or perhaps more modern methods.

What do you think? Good idea?

[Misty]

You seem to disagree with Michael Flynn, the man that President Elect Trump has appointed National Security Adviser - the top man advising the future Trump administration on how to keep the country secure. Given that he has labelled 2.7 million american citizens as part of a cancer, I wonder what we can expect of him? In the recent past in another part of the world, an ethnic groups that was regarded en masse as a threat was required to make their ethnic origin known with stars sewn onto their clothing. Perhaps a crescent moon would be more appropriate here? Or perhaps more modern methods.

What do you think? Good idea?

He wrote a book on radical Islam. I don't think he is after the peaceful Muslims.

[Dolphin42]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzh9b_vo4vs

He seems to have a problem with Islam as a whole. If I were a Christian and somebody told me that my religion (not a group of radical violent people, but my religion) was a political ideology and a cancer, I would take that as an attack against me. Wouldn't you?

People have killed in the name of Christianity. Does that mean that Christianity is a cancer? It is generally agreed that cancers have to be wiped out, isn't it?

[Gertie]

Misty

No, just the psychological analysis of sore losers with eye's wide shut!

OK. I don't know if you've reflected on it much, or self-reflected, but if you have - what's your take?

[Dolphin42]

I think that when people talk about "sore losers" in the context of elections and referendums, they seem to think that it's some kind of competitive win/lose game. They seem to miss the basic point. It's not "one side wins and one side loses". If we pick the right choice we all win, and if we pick the wrong choice we all lose. I very much hope that the right choice was picked. Why wouldn't I? We'd all win.

[Nick_A]

Do you consider yourself drawn more to collectivism or individualism? If you voted for Trump are you more drawn to individualism. If you voted for Clinton do you consider yourself a collectivist?

[Dolphin42]

A bit of both.

Every man is an island. But it's important to maintain good ferry services.