I agree that there is a lot of "reasoning" as to why musical education is not worthwhile, but suspect that most of these reasons are because the people do not have access to it, or they are afraid of failing at it. University degrees can be expensive, and a degree in Philosophy or music does not necessarily make a person employable -- except maybe as a teacher.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑June 24th, 2021, 7:15 amMy main vocation is music (which you might remember). That's a common thing with some musicians, too. There's an aversion to musical education/lessons because somehow they think it will "teach the creativity out of them," or "teach out of them what makes them unique as musicians." I've never quite understood that attitude. To some extent I think it's simply fueled by being an excuse to be kind of lazy and not put in the hard work that they'll have to put in as a student. "I'm fine/happy doing what I'm doing, I don't need additional work/chores/etc."Steve3007 wrote: ↑June 23rd, 2021, 5:02 am Since he/she'll probably burn out and stop posting soon, I think it's interesting to consider the latest evolution/creation style poster. Asif. I say "evolution/creation style poster" as a shorthand for the class of poster whose most obvious common feature is that they see themselves as an intellectual free spirit, untroubled by what they see as the intellectual straight jacket of learning what other people think/thought about stuff. As our old friend who started off calling himself "creation", and changed to "evolution", did.
I wonder if there is a common motive which drives them? Is it just their perception that anybody who learns anything about anything accepts that thing unquestioningly? Does that perception simply come from not having a particular form of education themselves, and therefore assuming that that education is harder to come by than it really is, and therefore assuming that people who have it guard it jealously and look down on those who don't have it?
If so, it's interesting that only certain types of education are treated like this. It's a perception that people like Asif and evolution/creation tend to have about a subject like philosophy or some of the sciences, but probably wouldn't have about a different specialism like, say, plumbing.
Nobody, as far as I know, says: "You plumbers in your ivory towers think your[sic] so great, with your dogmas about 22mm copper piping and compression joints!..."
I remember reading about Andrew Lloyd Webber, who did some time at University honing his craft. It was stated that his father advised him to quit the University because they had nothing more to teach him, and that they were beginning to stifle him. On the other hand, I am pretty certain that his father supported his education up to that point.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑June 24th, 2021, 7:15 am But there also seems to be some sort of belief that education will change them and will iron out their quirks, as if it's designed to turn everyone into carbon copies of each other . . . I'm just not sure what the source of that is as such a strong belief.
It should be considered that one does not generally get a top grade by disagreeing with his/her instructor. Much depends upon the quality of the school.
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