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If You had the Power of God, How would you change the World?

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Re: If You had the Power of God, How would you change the World?

Post by Felix » May 13th, 2019, 12:14 am

Greta: "The qualities gained along the way of humanity's evolutionary history are not lost but, as I say, rationalised."

I am saying that human intelligence is multi-faceted and reason is just one aspect of it. It includes intuition, emotional sensitivity and empathy, and other nonlogical perceptual faculties. Paring it down to analytical reason alone will excise our humanity in the process. I know you are a musician, if you boiled down the music you enjoy to a series of computer algorithms, what would become of it?

Greta: "Remember, the US is not the vanguard any more so we can assume that, whatever we are told these days is behind the cutting edge. While the Confederates are getting restless in the US, China is pulling ahead (since they don't have a huge and well-resources anti-science faction holding them back) and their advances are not always being reported in the west."

No ethical principles to hold them back either... I wouldn't hold up China as an example because they are proving the point I just made: they are refining and utilizing AI for the express purpose of spying on and oppressing their citizens - cold hard logic in action.

Greta: "By the time we humans can no longer live on a stripped Earth, you'd expect AI to be highly advanced and capable of self-support and self-improvement in the absence of humans."

The problem is that "self improvement" becomes a dreadful curse when a completely self-centered entity pursues it.
"We do not see things as they are; we see things as we are." - Anaïs Nin

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Re: If You had the Power of God, How would you change the World?

Post by UniversalAlien » May 13th, 2019, 5:40 am

From the famous scientist Carl Sagan:

“How is it that hardly any major religion has looked at science and concluded, “This is better than we thought! The Universe is much bigger than our prophets said, grander, more subtle, more elegant?” Instead they say, “No, no, no! My god is a little god, and I want him to stay that way.” A religion, old or new, that stressed the magnificence of the Universe as revealed by modern science might be able to draw forth reserves of reverence and awe hardly tapped by the conventional faiths.”
― Carl Sagan, Pale Blue Dot: A Vision of the Human Future in Space

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Re: If You had the Power of God, How would you change the World?

Post by UniversalAlien » May 27th, 2019, 7:54 pm

UniversalAlien wrote:
May 13th, 2019, 5:40 am
From the famous scientist Carl Sagan:

“How is it that hardly any major religion has looked at science and concluded, “This is better than we thought! The Universe is much bigger than our prophets said, grander, more subtle, more elegant?” Instead they say, “No, no, no! My god is a little god, and I want him to stay that way.” A religion, old or new, that stressed the magnificence of the Universe as revealed by modern science might be able to draw forth reserves of reverence and awe hardly tapped by the conventional faiths.”
― Carl Sagan, Pale Blue Dot: A Vision of the Human Future in Space
True? - Reasonable and makes sense, agreed?

Now try this - The Atheists are right, there is no provable creator, no reason to believe there is a
Prima Facie reason to believe there is any reason for existence.

And yet........In a World, a Quantum World, where every possibility must be considered
- In this World, the World you live in - The non-existent creator becomes inevitable.
- the state of pure logic, absolute intelligence will at some point be reached
- At that point chaos yields and reason rules.

A state of God? - I still don't know what that means - do You ?



From Max Planck, one of the founders of Quantum Mechanics and winner of the Noble Prize:

“Religion and natural science are fighting a joint battle in an incessant, never relaxing crusade against skepticism and against dogmatism, against unbelief and superstition... [and therefore] 'On to God!”
― Max Planck

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Re: If You had the Power of God, How would you change the World?

Post by Greta » May 28th, 2019, 2:07 am

Felix wrote:
May 13th, 2019, 12:14 am
I am saying that human intelligence is multi-faceted and reason is just one aspect of it. It includes intuition, emotional sensitivity and empathy, and other nonlogical perceptual faculties. Paring it down to analytical reason alone will excise our humanity in the process. I know you are a musician, if you boiled down the music you enjoy to a series of computer algorithms, what would become of it?
It would sound like much of today's music.

Trouble is, if we are to do achieve anything in space, it's got to be machines because biology and space don't mix. Humans have a shelf life, even failing our recklessness, so ultimately the story must be continued by our machine successors.
Felix wrote:
May 13th, 2019, 12:14 am
No ethical principles to hold them back either... I wouldn't hold up China as an example because they are proving the point I just made: they are refining and utilizing AI for the express purpose of spying on and oppressing their citizens - cold hard logic in action.
The only good guys today are too small to matter. It feels a bit like Hitler won after all, just 70 years late.

Greta: "By the time we humans can no longer live on a stripped Earth, you'd expect AI to be highly advanced and capable of self-support and self-improvement in the absence of humans."
Felix wrote:
May 13th, 2019, 12:14 am
The problem is that "self improvement" becomes a dreadful curse when a completely self-centered entity pursues it.
Well, we humans are hardly in a position to criticise any other entity's morality when our own is degrading - and it didn't start from an especially high point.

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Re: If You had the Power of God, How would you change the World?

Post by UniversalAlien » August 23rd, 2019, 5:26 am

Next I would 'evolve' the Human mind one step higher than its current state.

Human intelligence in some ways has been increasing - but it has yet to surpass limitations that are hindering
its advancement into the future.

Computer scientists keep prophesizing 'Artificial General Intelligence' and 'the Singularity'

- But they still can't do this because the Human brain is still not sufficiently evolved.

If I had the Power of God I would evolve Humans one step higher and give you your magical fantasy world and open up the Universe to Human {or android]' exploration - But from that day forward you will be working for me.

Are you still game :?:

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Re: If You had the Power of God, How would you change the World?

Post by dawwg » August 23rd, 2019, 9:35 am

UniversalAlien wrote:
August 23rd, 2019, 5:26 am
If I had the Power of God [for one day] I would... But from that day forward you will be working for me.
First of all you'd need an escape route, a back door so to speak to add time to your deliberations. This could be accomplished by adding another plane of existence separate from this world. Perhaps the separate plane of existence can be so engrossing of the senses to reduce the necessity of interacting with our world.

So Gods essentially provide themselves with better living conditions which leaves us in the clutches of nature, kill and be killed and scrabble with what we have to improve our own lives until everything is used up.

I don't think a compassionate God-like entity would insist that souls inhabit life-forms that depend on a kill and be killed situation which infers that God is not compassionate. Perhaps everything depends on the kill and be killed process to provide the very environment in which we find ourselves on this planet but it would seem that if people can live by vegetarianism then this is not so, ergo God is a kid engrossed in battle scenes and the devising of new life forms to enter the fray, or at least was.

I don't know about you but I am more productive mentally in this two dimension universe of the internet where we interact in two dimensions rather than the three dimensions of physical reality. This two dimensional reality is a retreat from the physical world and could be compared with existence after death, a retreat from 3 dimensions to 2.

Ok, how can a God in this two dimensional universe improve the 3 dimensional universe of physical reality? Well it's going to take longer than a day for the ongoing processes to wind down and any new implementations to overtake the old ones, so we will have to implement a rule to govern what a God can and cannot do and name it "The Pearl Of Great Price" and attach the slogan "Find my treasure who can!"

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Re: If You had the Power of God, How would you change the World?

Post by Greta » August 23rd, 2019, 8:12 pm

Trouble is, how do you shift from rock eating microbes to civilisations without much pain?

We developed our instruments of pain - the brain and nervous system - because these things made us respond in ways that promoted survival and thrival. AI might be able to solve this problem by simply using signals as a guide, without need for nature's "brute force" approach.

If we, or our successors, manage to overcome the problem of suffering, then the last billion years or so of nervous systems have simply been about growing pains, like a teenager. We, en masse, consume like teens or caterpillars too ...

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Re: If You had the Power of God, How would you change the World?

Post by UniversalAlien » August 23rd, 2019, 11:23 pm

Just remember the power of god by definition accepts no limitations - Its dangerous :!:

And.......

The power of god can do anything - Again dangerous!

So we can see why Atheism is so popular now a days.

But if nothing else, the 20th Century showed us how dangerous atheism can be
{Nazism and Communism for example}


But now there is no turning back - with the advent of the quantum super computer
the power of god may be inevitable.

Someone will, sooner or later, program 'the game of god' into a super computer
and watch-out!

Meantime this hasn't happened yet so let your Human speculation play out
- Your mind is still free {more or less}.

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Re: If You had the Power of God, How would you change the World?

Post by dawwg » August 24th, 2019, 5:46 am

Greta wrote:
August 23rd, 2019, 8:12 pm
Trouble is, how do you shift from rock eating microbes to civilisations without much pain?
Be God for a day and get everyone to agree with a plan for civil obedience?

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